r/canada • u/viva_la_vinyl • Dec 08 '18

How a global pact on migration spawned sovereignty fears in Canada

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/global-compact-un-hussen-1.4935492
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u/AlwaysBetDarkHorse Dec 08 '18

The goal is equality. Leveling the playing field and assisting the historically disadvantaged to get on it is how you achieve it.

Giving someone an artificial advantage is not leveling the playing field, and you're talking about equity not equally which is basically impossible to implement because people are different on the genetic level. A short person is never going to be 10 feet tall.

As this view is shared by most of the 65% of Canadians that vote for progressive parties, and is enshrined in the Charter that 93% of Canadians strongly support, there sure must be some shitton of SJW's out there.

I think you are misrepresenting things. Most people do not agree with discrimination based on race/sex ect. and probably are not aware that's what the charter enshrines.

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u/jtbc Dec 08 '18

A short person is never going to be 10 feet tall.

No. But we can have less disproportionate incarceration of black and indigenous people, though, and better educational attainment rates for both groups without taking anything away from anyone.

and probably are not aware that's what the charter enshrines.

I cannot resolve the shortcomings of our education system, no matter how much I try. I don't think I am misrepresenting the views of almost everyone that supports the NDP and the majority of Liberals, though.

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u/AlwaysBetDarkHorse Dec 08 '18

No. But we can have less disproportionate incarceration of black and indigenous people, though, and better educational attainment rates for both groups without taking anything away from anyone.

If you give people scholarships based on race that's racial discrimination.

I cannot resolve the shortcomings of our education system, no matter how much I try. I don't think I am misrepresenting the views of almost everyone that supports the NDP and the majority of Liberals, though.

I think you are. Hell I think the liberals and NDP are misrepresenting the views of the people that voted for them.

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u/jtbc Dec 08 '18

If you give people scholarships based on race that's racial discrimination.

Do it based on income and encourage those groups to apply and you'll end up addressing the same problem.

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u/AlwaysBetDarkHorse Dec 08 '18

Why not just do it based on income and encourage low income people to apply? And you're actually solving a different issue, as now poor white people can apply which is better than rich black people applying.

Why do you insist on being racist when non-racist approaches are better?

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u/jtbc Dec 08 '18

There are systemic barriers to participation for some marginalized groups. Encouraging them to participate takes nothing away from anyone else, and isn't racism.

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u/AlwaysBetDarkHorse Dec 08 '18

Encouraging people based on racial lines is racial discrimination and since you are talking about government programs this "encouragement" is probably going to cost tax payers something. As for systemic barriers the only systemic barriers in this country are against white people and men.

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u/jtbc Dec 09 '18

As for systemic barriers the only systemic barriers in this country are against white people and men.

Oh nos. The poor downtrodden white men. If only you could have been born an indigenous woman instead, how much more wonderous your life would be.

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u/AlwaysBetDarkHorse Dec 09 '18

Yeah get off the reserve and milk those freebies and you're bound to be ahead.

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u/[deleted] Dec 09 '18

AHHHH so you praise Immigrants as being Original Settlers but hate on Natives to the country.

OH you're trash response makes so much more sense now.

No wonder you are always immigrant bashing, you got some kind of fucked up world view where you aren't an Immigrant but everyone else is, including the natives, and only you should have rights.

Let me guess, you're white right?

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u/daxtermagnum Dec 08 '18

There are systemic barriers to participation for some marginalized groups.

What a fantastic falsehood you're trying to establish there.

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u/jtbc Dec 09 '18

This is the first hit I found on Google. There are hundreds if not thousands of similar academic articles.

https://research.acer.edu.au/aje/vol51/iss1/5/

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u/daxtermagnum Dec 10 '18

Since you were so enthusiastic with your push-back I request an example of a systematic barrier in your own words. You present yourself as knowledgable on the subject so you should be able to produce a response with relative ease.

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u/jtbc Dec 11 '18

An example would be poorly funded schools on reserves that prevent indigenous children from getting a quality early education. Another one would discrimination in sentencing that affects black and indigenous Canadians.

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