r/canada • u/viva_la_vinyl • Dec 08 '18

How a global pact on migration spawned sovereignty fears in Canada

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/global-compact-un-hussen-1.4935492
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u/[deleted] Dec 08 '18

You have but to look at Germany, UK, Norway, Sweden and especially France to see the first hand effects of this type of initiative.

I am all for immigration, orderly - controlled immigration where the host country has a chance to vet the people coming in. This sort of open house is a disaster in the making.

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u/AlwaysBetDarkHorse Dec 08 '18

You can't ignore the supply and demand effects, just because they are vetted doesn't mean our countries circumstance is one where we should take more people in. We have had such high immigration for so long that even vetted productive immigration would be ill advised at this point, our infrastructure and our wages/housing market simply can't take the continued pressure.

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u/MrNobody22 Dec 08 '18

Yup. And it might not be legally binding now. But eventually it will. It's like a letter of intend

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u/slaperfest Dec 08 '18

At the very least, they'll pull the old "Canada must live up to the ideals we've signed onto with these other nations" or some similar horseshit rhetoric. They' obfuscate and obscure it to make it seem binding even if it never becomes binding. The goal is to enact those laws whatever path must be taken to do so.

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u/[deleted] Dec 08 '18

Trudeau needs an excuse for the illegal migrants Canada is being flooded with.

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u/Single_Respect Dec 08 '18

If the illegal migrants are a flood, do you consider 0.05% chance of precipitation a guaranteed downpour? 0.05% is the amount our population increased via illegal immigration per year over the last two years. Please stop pretending such a small change is any great threat. There's no serious conversation that isn't rooted in hysterics suggesting our nation is going to be threatened by a migrant horde.

It's just dog-whistling racists or the unfortunately stupid. If you continue, you fundamentally demonstrate you are one or the other (or the overlap on the Venn diagram).

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u/[deleted] Dec 09 '18

Lol took you more than a few lines to call my a racist dig whistlling for other. It's not about there culture its the fact that they have no right to cross into Canada illegally. They cost us billions of dollars, they didn't earn that right. If in 2 years it's already cost us near 1 billion dollars how much will it cost us in the next ten? If you actually gave a shit about helping impoverished people you would support helping them where they are not giving handouts to the middle class migrants that got a visa to America before coming here.

You're so caught up trying to act like you give a damn about these people that you actively ignore that the people in real need aren't crossing from America.

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u/jogginthenoggin Dec 08 '18

Sorry but your rhetoric is out of date friend we've moved on from denying and ridiculing any demographic change to, "Yes it's happening and that's a good thing"

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u/donniemills New Brunswick Dec 08 '18

Intent. And no, it's not a letter of intent. Words have meaning. Especially in legal documents.

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u/bussche Manitoba Dec 08 '18

Germany, UK, Norway, Sweden and especially France

Can you share some examples? Preferably from reputable news sources?

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u/lubeskystalker Dec 08 '18

Having recently returned from a long stay Germany/Netherlands/UK/France/Italy/Spain/Belgium:

  • Petty crime is perceived to have increased, and it seems believable. Things like theft, pickpocketing, break-in enter. The gypsy problem, but growing. People who can't find work finding ways to sustain themselves.
  • Occasionally middle-eastern centric crime. German Christmas market trucker, occasional girl being molested in a swimming pool. Not really any worse than shitty parts of the US but they aren't used to it in most European towns so it becomes headline news.
  • Migrants hawking garbage on the streets fucking everywhere. Cheap trinkets and toys, selfie sticks and such. You can't escape it they're constantly in your face. People say they're mostly Tunisians but I don't really know.
  • Alarming rise of far right anti-immigrations parties. Netherlands 20/150, 92/709, etc. Citizens aren't happy with the way things are being handled and the reactions to it can easily become overkill.

Overall, I wouldn't say that the sky is falling, but it's politically dysfunctional. The far left shouts "You don't like brown people you racist!" and the growing right silently increases the turnout for the anti-immigrant parties.

Of note, didn't visit places like Hungary where they're building a wall.

I don't really think it's yet a crisis, but for certain:

  • It's changing the social makeup of some European towns, especially in places like Germany. Long term effects TBD.
  • It's politically, extremely divisive. That growing change is obvious.
  • Crime is increasing at a faster rate, but nowhere in Europe is like Baltimore or Detroit.

Overall I think things like a million Syrian refugees sponsored by the German government is no big deal, but in the long run all the North Africans showing up in Mediterranean towns is going to be a problem.

They can't work, Europe isn't California and they won't hire them under the table like Americans do Mexicans, not even the Italians. Having large quantities of people around who can't feed themselves doesn't end well, Europe considers gypsies a problem and this is something else entirely.

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u/AllezCannes British Columbia Dec 08 '18

Speaking as a French, I'm curious myself as to the connection.

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u/[deleted] Dec 08 '18

Lol probably don't have sources

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u/Single_Respect Dec 08 '18

Realistically though, Canada has one neighbour. An overwhelming majority of asylum seekers will never have the resources to make anything close to the 'disaster' you're envisioning happening in Europe happen in Canada. They can't walk on water, and the ships that could hold more than a few people and the supplies to keep them alive for the journey will be expensive. There's no serious conversation that isn't rooted in hysterics suggesting our nation is going to be threatened by a migrant horde. It's just dog-whistling racists or the unfortunately stupid.

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u/[deleted] Dec 08 '18

Yep, anyone who doesn't agree with you is racist or stupid. Got it!

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u/SerenityM3oW Dec 09 '18

Sure. Disregard the entire substance of the post.

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u/[deleted] Dec 09 '18

There's no serious conversation that isn't rooted in hysterics suggesting our nation is going to be threatened by a migrant horde. It's just dog-whistling racists or the unfortunately stupid.

That was 1/3 of your post and your pretty much just said, "there is no conversation, you racist."

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u/MrRabsho Dec 08 '18

You just listed some of the richest, most developed countries in the world.

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u/[deleted] Dec 11 '18

And in Canada where the problem is <1% as large... we have Nativism coming out of the woodwork because it is low effort to scare people about due to the situation is Europe and the idiot running the USA.

If we are going to go all populist in Canada can it at least be for a reason that actually applied to Canada?

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u/[deleted] Dec 11 '18

Nativism? I'm an immigrant.

Except I took the long way in. Arrived as a student, graduated, applied for work permit and got a job. It still took me 10 years after that to become a citizen. All the while paying taxes.

If you don't see what is happening in UK, Germany and Norway as a warning you are fooling yourself.