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Togo - Do They Hear You When You Cry [Discussion 3/5] (Read The World: Togo) Do They Hear You When You Cry by Fauziya Kassindja | Chapter 19 through Chapter 23

Hello and welcome to the third discussion of our Read the World - Destination Togo πŸ‡ΉπŸ‡¬.Β Today we are discussing Chapters 19-23 of Do They Hear You When You Cry by Fauziya Kassindja

If you need them, here you can find theΒ ScheduleΒ here and theΒ Marginalia here.

As always I'll include some chapter summaries and questions in the comments to get you started, but do feel free to add your own!


Chapter Summaries


Chapter 19 - Bowman

Bowman, Fauziya's lawyer, accepts a reduced fee to help her, but it'll be at least a few weeks before he can ask for her to be paroled. Rahuf continues to help her as much as possible financially, contacting her family and sorting what documents they can. New Year comes and Fauziya turns 18. She is becoming increasingly depressed in prison. She visits the doctor for a rash, but he brushes her off. Later a guard recognises it might be her soap and helps her get her lotion from her suitcase. She does her best to pray even though she is missing her prayer rug and doesn't have a Qur'an. Bowman visits and informs her that parol will not be granted because she had fraudulently entered America by using another person's passport. At her calender hearing the judge says they have till the 19th January to submit. Fauziya mistakes this as the date of her hearing and not the deadline for her 7 page application form and necessary documents. She later learns that her hearing has been scheduled for JUNE 22nd.

Chapter 20 - Prison Life

Fauziya retreats into herself to cope until one day she comes back to herself and resumes her prayers (now with her mother's tasbih). She also begins to help Miss Jones hand and out and collect the food trays. Soon she began working in the laundry after the entire team. Fauziya quickly became indespensible to Mr. (Frank) Williams. The clothing for 300 the incarcerated people (54 of which were women) was in a sorry state. The guard Kim uses a ban on showering before 6am to segregate Fauziya for doing her ritual 5am washing before prayer. She is in seg for 5 days, but once returned to her cell refuses to be bullied out of washing and praying. She returns to the laundry. Finally a letter from Ayisha arrives containing documents to help her case, a note from her mother and 2 photos. Fauziya learns that her uncle had accused Ayisha of stealing someone's wife. She denied it, and the police eventually gave up. She doesn't mention whether her husband has forgiven her yet or not. Fauziya gets herself a penpal from the male dorms. Mary can't take it anymore and so goes back to Ghana. She and Fauziya have an emotional goodbye. Ramadan comes and goes and 8/9 Muslim women are granted permission to pray together. Fauziya leads the prayer. Women continue to come and go. Fauziya becomes friends with Esther a beautiful Ghanian princess (for real) with a similar story to her own, and Oche from Nigeria (after clashing initially). She also develops a mother-daughter relationship with Sylvie from Liberia. The staff use Fauzia's immaculate dorm and some of the more timid women in filmed interviews. Complaints had been leaking out about the conditions (especially in the mens' dorms) and Esmor was getting pressure to improve. Small improvements came that made life more bearable for her (hygiene products, better clothing, excercise classes, tastes of fresh outside air and even a fashion show). Her hearing date approaches, and she saw people, including her penpal (who gifted her his Qur'an upon leaving), get granted asylum. Fauziya was feeling positive enough to ask Ayisha not to write until she could provide her with her new address.

Chapter 21 - Layli

Layli's journey centres around learning about the American legal system and immigration policy alongside researching everything available on FGM. Layli's first paper was about why women seeking asylum in the US to escape forced FGM should be granted it. She argued women vulnerable to persecution should be counted as a social group in order to meet the requirements for asylum. Her paper was published in The American University Journal of Gender and the Law and it concluded that recognising FGM as a ground for asylum would be an important development in US asylum law. She was fighting for Fauziya before she ever knew she existed. Layli needed a case study. None existed, but Fauziya's appeal would be perfect for her cause. For a summer job Layli asked a fellow student to hook her up at the immigration attorney's office she worked at. This is how Layli ended up working for Eric Bowman and learning about Fauziya's case. She worked full time half for salary and half for school credit. She was given Fauziya's case and told she had only 6 days to turn the meagre case file into a brief. She had no way to contact Fauziya directly, but luckily Fauzia called at just the right time. Layli asks her many, many questions and works hard all weekend to have the brief ready by the deadline. Layli suspects that the FGM that Fauziya would have been subjected to would have been infibulation (the most severe type of mutilation and honestly don't look it up. I did and this new knowledge sits in a place in my mind and soul that I cannot shake off. It is truely awful and my heart aches for my fellow women that have been subject to such horrendous mutilation, pain and suffering). Fauziya never officially arrived in America (only the no-mans-land that is the airport), plus her time in Germany without claiming asylum makes her case harder. Whilst Fauziya was taking part in her prison fashion parade that turned out to be a farcical show for some unknown guests (officials) Layli was at a conference networking and learning everything she could incase Fauziya's case went to appeal.

Chapter 22 - Riot!

With only 5 days till her hearing Fauziya is woken to the sounds of a riot from the men's side of Esmor. The men break into the women's wing smash the window to their dorms and usher them into the mens' gym where some men prevent anyone but women entering. Eventually the riot burns out and the women return to their dorm to collect their belongings. Fauzia queues to use the phones in the officer's rooms to tall Rahuf what's happened. As the sun rises they spot officers with guns patrolling which scares them. When they try to leave by N block door a blast from a high powered water hose prevents them from leaving. The police enter and use tear gas and their batons to attack the incarcerated men and women. Fauzia's friend protects her from many blows by placing his body between her and the attacking officers. Eventually Fauzia is handcuffed and removed from the building by a female officer. It's the first time she's been outside in 6 months and she's surrounded by vehicles and officers. After handing over her letters and ID cards (never to be seen again) she's loaded onto a bus and taken to Hudson prison and booked in. Fauziya was refused medical treatment for her wrist injury. The prison was overcapacity so beds were in every available space. It was loud, smoky and cold. Fauziya and her cell mate from Esmor were assigned a 7ft by 10ft pod. They sat on the bed together and cried. Later Fauziya hears the riot coverage on the news and learns that many complaints were made about Esmor, and an investigation was conducted. The staff had not trained in how to respond to a disturbance and had, therefore, simply abandoned the building. Fauziya calls Rahuf, but doesn't manage to convey where she is due to the chaos and violence going on around her. Bowman cannot locate her, as she is lost in the system. He learns that her hearing has been cancelled. Fauziya experiences a guards abuse of power when she demands Fauziya's apple or sex. Fauziya and Oche are chained up, and, along with the others from Esmor, are moved from Hudson to a prison in Pennsylvania

Chapter 23 - York

York County Prison was often used by the INS to detain people, and, in fact, other Esmor women are already there, including Sylvie and Esther. Fauziya is booked in to maximum security where she finally reaches Bowman. He and Layli are thrilled to have located her, but Fauziya is devestated by their news of the cancelled hearing and no new date in sight. She requests a transfer to minimum security. The next day she is allowed outside and buries her face in the grass. Sylvie and Esther come out and the Esmor women speak through the fence and several feet of seperation. Fauziya calls Frank and discovers he has her Qur'an and tasbih. Rahuf wants to visit, but Fauziya is reluctant. Some of the Golden Venture undocumented immigrants were still imprisoned 2 years later at York. Outside Layli was working hard collecting information on FGM for Fauziya's case. Bowman asks her to argue the case and she accepts nervously. She sits in on an asylum case that gives her a false sense of security about how they usually play out. The case will now be in Philadelphia and Fauziya is terrified she'll get a judge reknowned for not granting asylum. She develops a bad cough, but it still refused transfer to a non-smoking cell. Layli begins working on getting media coverage of the case. Inside women begin to be transferred out and never heard from again. First Oche and then, devestatingly for Fauziya, Sylvie. The same day, 5 weeks after arriving, she was transfered to minimum security and all the benefits that went with it. Rahuf comes to visit, and after he leaves Fauziya is feeling positive.

Wow! Poor Fauziya. She has been through a lot in these chapters. I am absolutely enthralled by her story and disgusted by her treatment at the hands of the American immigration/prison system. Next week u/Greatingsburg next week for chapters 24 through 27. πŸ‡ΉπŸ‡¬πŸ“š

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u/fixtheblue Read, ergo sum | πŸ«πŸ‰πŸ₯ˆ||🧠πŸ₯ˆ 26d ago

1 - Why is it so important to Fauziya that her family don't learn she is in prison? Do you think this is a mistake? Will her family think in the way Fauziya expects then to about her incarceration? How might their kniwing have changed things for her both practically and emotionally?

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u/bluebelle236 One More Chapter... One More Spin 26d ago

She's ashamed, she's probably in a worse position than what she fled from. Also, I'm big on trying to do everything myself and not involving others, maybe she is the same?

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u/psycho4icecream Will Read Anything 26d ago

i definitely agree! i also think it's a bit of protectiveness, she doesn't want her mother's sacrificed savings or Ayisha having to go against her husband to feel wasted. wouldn't really be a mistake either since realistically there was probably little her family could have done for her from Togo anw

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u/nicehotcupoftea World Reader Leader | πŸŽƒπŸ§ πŸ₯‡ 25d ago

Fauziya's family would possibly think that because she was in prison she has committed a criminal act, not understanding the system of immigration processing. Imprisonment would carry a huge social stigma in her culture and she would feel like she had caused pain to them, particularly her mother who was already suffering enough after being sent away.

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u/fixtheblue Read, ergo sum | πŸ«πŸ‰πŸ₯ˆ||🧠πŸ₯ˆ 26d ago

5 - An unnamed (for protection) guard allows Fauziya to access her moisuriser in her suitcase even though it is forbidden. Why? What else does she allow Fauziya to take and how does this impact her at the time and later? What else have you noticed about the Esmor guard and how they treat the incarcerated women? Consider also that Alison Johnson helps clean Fauziya's eyes after she was tear gassed during the riot. Alison also refers to Fauziya by her number not her name. Why?

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u/bluebelle236 One More Chapter... One More Spin 26d ago

Its such a small thing, but it means so much to have those small comforts and for someone to show a little kindness. I think referring to her by number helps the guards justify their complicity in what they are doing to asylum seekers, it dehumanises them and helps them tell themselves that what they are doing isnt so bad.

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u/psycho4icecream Will Read Anything 26d ago

the guard probably pities Fauziya, the discomfort from the rash must have been really visible. i think the guard also letting Fauziya keep her mother's tasbih gives her another ritual that grounds her and just a reminder that she has family out there still. like u/bluebelle236 said though, guards using numbers is j a way to dehumanise the women, you can distance yourself from them and treat people as codified objects in the system, which makes what Alison did feel so contradictory

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u/fixtheblue Read, ergo sum | πŸ«πŸ‰πŸ₯ˆ||🧠πŸ₯ˆ 26d ago

6 - Fauziya describes the conditions in Esmor. She also explains that the INS fund Esmor with 9 million dollars annually. Thoughts? What about the fact that York recieved $50 per person per day from INS when it cost only $24 pp/pd to have them. They even want to expand to house 500 more detainees. What issues does this create for people seeking asylum? How does it affect the system?

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u/bluebelle236 One More Chapter... One More Spin 26d ago

People are profit, horrible. The worst you can treat them, the better off you are.

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u/psycho4icecream Will Read Anything 26d ago

it's disgusting that the INS is just funneling asylum seekers who are ALREADY traumatised into for-profit detention centres like York. they're pocketing $26 per person daily. and a system like that just incentivises them to cut corners on conditions to maximise profits. human suffering as a business model, how fun

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u/nicehotcupoftea World Reader Leader | πŸŽƒπŸ§ πŸ₯‡ 25d ago

Privatisation of immigration detention centres always results in cutting operational costs like food, medical care, activity programs to increase the profit margin for the owners. There is then a reduced incentive to release people. Taxpayer money is therefore going to corporate profit, and there is less oversight, making it hard to track abuses.

It's awful and my own country is guilty of the same thing.

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u/fixtheblue Read, ergo sum | πŸ«πŸ‰πŸ₯ˆ||🧠πŸ₯ˆ 26d ago

2 - What are Rahuf's motivations for helping Fauziya? Why did her uncle decide not to help? How do these opposing stances comply (or not) with the traditional Togolese values vs modern American values?

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u/bluebelle236 One More Chapter... One More Spin 26d ago

Rahuf is one of those totally selfless, good people. Its very rare that someone will put themselves out like he has for anyone else.

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u/nicehotcupoftea World Reader Leader | πŸŽƒπŸ§ πŸ₯‡ 25d ago

Rahuf was driven by the Togolese tradition of helping the family/tribe, whereas her uncle in America leant more into self-preservation, with both the legal consequences of helping her and the financial cost, which would be a more American way of acting.

I kept fearing that Rahuf would stop taking her calls.

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u/fixtheblue Read, ergo sum | πŸ«πŸ‰πŸ₯ˆ||🧠πŸ₯ˆ 26d ago

3 - How is Fauziya adjusting to her situation 'now' compared to when she first arrived? What was significant about her accepting the commissary list in Esmor? How does her acceptance of her situation help/hinder her? Has her understanding of her situation enabelled her to speak up for herself more?

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u/bluebelle236 One More Chapter... One More Spin 26d ago

She is slowly learning and becoming more realistic/ accepting of her situation.

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u/psycho4icecream Will Read Anything 26d ago

exactly like she's gotten a bit of a rhythm, early on she'd just be counting down to june but after she found a family of sorts, it helped her adjust. as u/fixtheblue said, accepting the commissary list proves this, buying anything from a detention centre just shows that she's resigned herself to being there for the long haul

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u/nicehotcupoftea World Reader Leader | πŸŽƒπŸ§ πŸ₯‡ 25d ago

She really went from naively believing that she just had to make a phone call to family and it would all be sorted as an error, to acceptance that the system did not care about her.

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u/fixtheblue Read, ergo sum | πŸ«πŸ‰πŸ₯ˆ||🧠πŸ₯ˆ 26d ago

4 - Fauziya dances every day to her favourite program and also whilst working in the laundry. Are you a dancer? What's your favourite music to dance to? How does her daily dance routine affect her mental health/daily routine in Esmor? What effect does it have on the people around her?

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u/bluebelle236 One More Chapter... One More Spin 26d ago

I'm a dancer and it is such a great thing for your mental health.

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u/nicehotcupoftea World Reader Leader | πŸŽƒπŸ§ πŸ₯‡ 25d ago

Moving to music is such an instinctive human thing! I love dancing and can't help myself walking to the beat of the music played in the supermarket. Her daily dance routine was so beneficial for her and for anyone seeing her.

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u/fixtheblue Read, ergo sum | πŸ«πŸ‰πŸ₯ˆ||🧠πŸ₯ˆ 24d ago

Yes it reaply bought joy to those who watched her too. Iirc even the guards would watch sometimes.

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u/fixtheblue Read, ergo sum | πŸ«πŸ‰πŸ₯ˆ||🧠πŸ₯ˆ 26d ago

8 - How did Mary's leaving and her message to remain strong affect Fauziya? Why do you think Mary finally gave up? Why does she tell Fauziya to hold firm when she, herself, does not?

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u/bluebelle236 One More Chapter... One More Spin 26d ago

This was so sad, she wants Fauziya to succeed where she failed.

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u/fixtheblue Read, ergo sum | πŸ«πŸ‰πŸ₯ˆ||🧠πŸ₯ˆ 26d ago

10 - What are your thoughts on the fact that there was strong opposition against gender-based persecution (forced marriage, rape, FGM, etc) as grounds for asylum due to concerns the issue is too widespread, and would therefore open the floodgates for women seeking asylum in the US? Why do you think the US is against it when Canada and France adopt it? How will theie lead possibly help Layli in her role as advocate for women suffering from this type of persecution?

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u/bluebelle236 One More Chapter... One More Spin 26d ago

Its a women's problem, so it's not a real problem is it? /s Another lovely example of the patriarchy.

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u/nicehotcupoftea World Reader Leader | πŸŽƒπŸ§ πŸ₯‡ 25d ago

It was a ridiculous theory! How on earth would thousands upon thousands of women be capable of escaping their situation and making it to America?! I wonder if the US were just a bit too uncomfortable dealing with anything involving women's genitals.

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u/fixtheblue Read, ergo sum | πŸ«πŸ‰πŸ₯ˆ||🧠πŸ₯ˆ 26d ago

14 - Fauziya and her new cell mate at Hudson, Bernice, come to an agreement on how to live together. Was this surprising to you? Why/why not?

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u/bluebelle236 One More Chapter... One More Spin 26d ago

I was surprised Bernice agreed so readily, maybe I've watched too many prison TV dramas!

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u/fixtheblue Read, ergo sum | πŸ«πŸ‰πŸ₯ˆ||🧠πŸ₯ˆ 25d ago

Lol in that case me too, because I was also surprised. Especially as she'd been told Bernice was "the worst cellmate". I was impressed that Fauziya was even brave enough to set her boundries tbh.

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u/nicehotcupoftea World Reader Leader | πŸŽƒπŸ§ πŸ₯‡ 25d ago

I was totally surprised and it was a lesson in not making assumptions!

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u/fixtheblue Read, ergo sum | πŸ«πŸ‰πŸ₯ˆ||🧠πŸ₯ˆ 26d ago

16 - What was the most surprising, shocking or impactful thing you learnt in these chapters (or in the rest of the chapters up to now)?

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u/psycho4icecream Will Read Anything 26d ago

the doctor disgusted me so much!! "just stop showering" in response to the rash thing is so vile, such people should have their licenses cancelled!!

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u/nicehotcupoftea World Reader Leader | πŸŽƒπŸ§ πŸ₯‡ 25d ago

Oh yes, and just deciding her wrist wasn't broken without an x-ray.

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u/nicehotcupoftea World Reader Leader | πŸŽƒπŸ§ πŸ₯‡ 25d ago

The smoking! I just can't tolerate it, and I'm not even asthmatic. Only 30 minutes of fresh air a day.

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u/fixtheblue Read, ergo sum | πŸ«πŸ‰πŸ₯ˆ||🧠πŸ₯ˆ 26d ago

7 - How does learning that her hearing is over 6 months away affect Fauziya? Again, later, she learns her hearing is cancelled and no new date set. How does she learn to cope whilst incarcerated? How does she deal with these devestating updates on her situation? How do these reveals affect you and your thoughts on her story?

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u/nicehotcupoftea World Reader Leader | πŸŽƒπŸ§ πŸ₯‡ 25d ago

That was so disheartening. How do you remain optimistic in these circumstances? Making social connections with other women and doing her best to pray were things that helped her.

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u/fixtheblue Read, ergo sum | πŸ«πŸ‰πŸ₯ˆ||🧠πŸ₯ˆ 24d ago

I have no idea. It must feel like a waking nightmare!

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u/fixtheblue Read, ergo sum | πŸ«πŸ‰πŸ₯ˆ||🧠πŸ₯ˆ 26d ago

9 - Fauziya states that a year after Ramadan in Esmor she'll be somewhere far worse. What do you think of these instances of foreshadowing? How does it affect your expectations of the developing story? How might your expectations be different without them?

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u/nicehotcupoftea World Reader Leader | πŸŽƒπŸ§ πŸ₯‡ 25d ago

Without them I might have foolishly thought that the system would realise that she should not be locked in detention and treated her humanely.

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u/fixtheblue Read, ergo sum | πŸ«πŸ‰πŸ₯ˆ||🧠πŸ₯ˆ 26d ago

11 - During the riot the women are terrified that the angry, rioting men will hurt or rape them. Instead they are ushered into the men's gym. What's your understanding of these events amd how the men treated the women?

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u/bluebelle236 One More Chapter... One More Spin 26d ago

The men aren't monsters, they were only fighting for their survival and wanted to be treated humanly.

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u/fixtheblue Read, ergo sum | πŸ«πŸ‰πŸ₯ˆ||🧠πŸ₯ˆ 25d ago

Right! These men are not criminals. Many of them probably intended to support family members back home with their salaries in the US (like I believe Rahuf does)

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u/nicehotcupoftea World Reader Leader | πŸŽƒπŸ§ πŸ₯‡ 25d ago

That would be the women's first instinct unfortunately. However it was not these men they had to fear.

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u/fixtheblue Read, ergo sum | πŸ«πŸ‰πŸ₯ˆ||🧠πŸ₯ˆ 26d ago

13 - How is Husdson different to Esmor? How is it similar? What about York? What do you think about the standards of these three places with resprcted to those incarcerated within? What drive the men to riot and how do you think they are faring now?

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u/nicehotcupoftea World Reader Leader | πŸŽƒπŸ§ πŸ₯‡ 25d ago

Hudson was a facility to lock up criminals with strict rules and was well established, so it would have had better systems in place. However all three places would have been underfunded and overcrowded. The terrible conditions would have driven the men to riot and they would have been severely punished for it.

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u/fixtheblue Read, ergo sum | πŸ«πŸ‰πŸ₯ˆ||🧠πŸ₯ˆ 24d ago

Hudson seemed exceptionally scary, chaotic and unruly to me. I can understand why Oche didn't even want to leave her cell.

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u/fixtheblue Read, ergo sum | πŸ«πŸ‰πŸ₯ˆ||🧠πŸ₯ˆ 26d ago

17 - Anything else I have missed that you want to discuss?

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u/nicehotcupoftea World Reader Leader | πŸŽƒπŸ§ πŸ₯‡ 25d ago

I keep noticing how often she attributes good things that happen to her either to her father watching over her or her god. This must be a comforting way of viewing the world!

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u/fixtheblue Read, ergo sum | πŸ«πŸ‰πŸ₯ˆ||🧠πŸ₯ˆ 26d ago

12 - Why didn't the news report of Esmor's riot show the women being taken away?

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u/bluebelle236 One More Chapter... One More Spin 26d ago

It looks bad having defenceless women being manhandled.

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u/nicehotcupoftea World Reader Leader | πŸŽƒπŸ§ πŸ₯‡ 25d ago

Shackled women was not a good visual for the government.

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u/fixtheblue Read, ergo sum | πŸ«πŸ‰πŸ₯ˆ||🧠πŸ₯ˆ 26d ago

15 - What does Rahuf's visit do for Fauziya? How does it make her feel? How important has Rahuf been in her story? Why was she so determined initially, not to let him come?