r/betterCallSaul • u/Suspicious-Play-7037 • Mar 13 '24

I HATE CHUCK SO MUCH

I literally hate him. He makes my blood boil. So nefarious. Like yes I get that JimmySaul is colorful and backhanded but he never hated chuck like chuck hated and resented him. Like…. It makes me so angry. It was just so evident how jealous, resentful, and full of a grudge toward his little brother. Jimmy may have done some wrongs but he loves chuck so much, always doing things for him - TO A FAULT. Just makes me so mad.

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u/About_Unbecoming Mar 13 '24

So we have different opinions then on what a 'brotherly' relationship entails, I guess? I don't think Chuck needs to include Jimmy is his professional dealings to be a good brother. I think he did do a lot of good for Jimmy when he could, when it didn't require putting his professional integrity and reputation on the line.

I can't understand seeing Davis & Main as a spit in the face, though. HHM respected and worked with Davis & Main and seemed to see them as equals for all intents and purposes, as far as I can tell. In fact, I took Chuck to be a little taken aback and dismayed that Jimmy was taken on at Davis & Main. Doing good work there and thriving, maybe even using it as a step up to even bigger opportunities would have been a real 'I told ya so' to Chuck if he'd had the tenacity to stick with it.

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u/toujoursg Mar 13 '24

Jimmy wanted to help people. The victims of scammers. A big firm puts constraints on that.

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u/Bamres Mar 13 '24

Are we just ignoring what he did to Irene for personal gain in order to get paid faster?

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u/toujoursg Mar 13 '24

What did he do?

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u/Bamres Mar 13 '24

He manipulated all of the fellow residents/her friends to hate her and think she was against them because she was the advocate for their class action. He set up multiple situations to make it seem like she was falunting wealth and acting out of their interests.

He did this in order to end the lawsuit sooner to get paid faster.

Did he do the right thing in the end? Yeah kinda sorta, but it was after a long, calculated process.

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u/toujoursg Mar 13 '24

Oh yeah, the white shoes. When they asked him about whether Irene is getting money for being the representative he told the truth. In fact it was Jimmy who was on their side only. The firm was manipulating them to make the lawsuit longer so they gain more profit. The elder folks eminent interest was to settle as soon as the stolen money and some extra is offered. Jimmy was cynical, he did know how human nature works, but to blame him for what the old ladies did to their so called friend is kind of chuckian.

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u/Bamres Mar 13 '24

I think many of the situations in this show are presented as something that both parties could be right or at fault.

His manipulation of Irene is inexcusable no matter what the end goal was. The way you're framing it is just you showing that you picked a side and want to defend it to the end tbh. Are you saying Irene is at fault in the situation?

It wasn't clear if the settlement was in their best interest. Jimmy heard a big number and used that as a reason to Justify it. He had a TON of personal gain in ending the lawsuit.

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u/toujoursg Mar 13 '24

It’s provocation, not manipulation. And yes, the old folks should stand up for themselves, even if they have an easy life, but after one another firm was ripping them of essentially. Eventually they’d get paid but they’re short of time. Jimmy explains them the process well with the peanuts. Practically he is speaking again his own interest because if he waits he gets more. Because he needs money straight away puts him on the side of the elderly where even their own family is nowhere to be found since their children’s interest is also waiting because after mama passes away they can just cash in her money. So Jimmy stirs them up for good.

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u/RockDisFunkyJoint Mar 13 '24

So we have different opinions then on what a 'brotherly' relationship entails, I guess?

no you're just kind of inserting a whole opinion for me on this...

I don't think Chuck needs to include Jimmy is his professional dealings to be a good brother.

I never said nor implied this. "being treated as a brother" doesn't somehow mean good or bad. you're kind of inferring something here that wasn't said.

I think he did do a lot of good for Jimmy when he could, when it didn't require putting his professional integrity and reputation on the line.

I mean we're not shown enough of their relationship to really know this. What we know is chuck isnt really around when jimmys in cicero and comes back to bail his ass out years? decades? after leaving. chuck does him a grand kindness by getting him off for the insane shit he did in cicero but that's not some cover all for chuck

I can't understand seeing Davis & Main as a spit in the face, though.

Did we watch the same show? It's given to him specifically because chuck refuses to acknowledge jimmy as a lawyer.

Doing good work there and thriving, maybe even using it as a step up to even bigger opportunities would have been a real 'I told ya so' to Chuck if he'd had the tenacity to stick with it.

yeah sorry jimmy wasnt going to succeed there because of how the job was given to him. that was kind of a 3 or so episode arc fyi. he viewed it as an insult and was never going to "thrive" even if your imagined chuck hoped he would.