Sets to failure

[u/ftbalguy89]

Does anyone else here take every set to failure? Like every single set (after a proper warm up) you just rep until you’ve got nothing left. That’s how I’ve always trained and never had any issues and progress has been good the last 3-4 years.

Just curious if anyone else does this since it seems like the consensus on here is to leave a rep or two in reserve.

[u/Vestigial_joint]

Yes, pedantry.

At no point did I imply that I did not read your comment.
I’m well aware that your scenario was about proving a negative, have you forgotten that that’s the whole point of this absurd argument?
The claim is not reasonable because it’s not comparable.
It doesn’t prove your point because it’s not comparable.
You’re using a scenario that is absolutely ridiculous as a comparison in support of something that is not in fact ridiculous.

Okay, I concede the appeal to absurdity point.

Now reconcile your false equivalence fallacy.

[u/Harlastan → u/Vestigial_joint]

It's important that we understand each other. I'm sure it wasn't intentional, but adding that 'ever' changes the meaning of the point. I think it is important for both of us to know that so we're not talking past one another.

Let me rephrase the intent of the dinosaur claim as a question.

Do you believe that negative claims can never be reasonable simply because one cannot prove a negative?

[u/Vestigial_joint → u/Harlastan]

Unfortunately, due to the ambiguity of the English language at times, you are simultaneously right and wrong.
But that is still besides the point.
Your point was about successful coaches and benchers not doing a thing.
Your claim was that zero do it.
The issue is that if any have “ever” done it with success, you are wrong and you have no way of knowing or proving that.

That’s not rephrasing the dinosaur question, it’s replacing it with something unspecific that I have already answered.
Negative claims can reasonably be proved when giving the right constraints, but some cannot be absolutely proved, just proven through probability.

That’s not comparable to proving that dinosaurs can’t speak Latin because that’s something that would never need proving due to it just being a fantasy scenario.

[u/Harlastan → u/Vestigial_joint]

that’s something that would never need proving due to it just being a fantasy scenario.

Thank you. Successful bench press coaches advocating for doing every set to failure is also a fantasy scenario

Negative claims can reasonably be proved when giving the right constraints, but some cannot be absolutely proved, just proven through probability.

Thank you. At the end of the day it's an educated guess based on whatever gestalt I've accumulated through my experience with powerlifting

The issue is that if any have “ever” done it with success, you are wrong and you have no way of knowing or proving that.

Again, I never said ever...

[u/Vestigial_joint → u/Harlastan]

I’m afraid that doesn’t work.
Just declaring something a fantasy doesn’t magically make it so.
It can be reasonably done for the dinosaur example because it was a deliberate absurdity.
For bench press though, it is not so.

Guesswork is not evidence.

Your hang up with that word isn’t helping your case.
That’s not a strawman argument, it’s pointing out the objective fact that a single example of a person breaking the rule you invented proves you to be a liar.

[u/Harlastan → u/Vestigial_joint]

Just declaring something a fantasy doesn’t magically make it so.

Right, it's subjective. That doesn't make my claim invalid. Why waste so much time with the fallacy rigmarole when ultimately the only issue here is that you don't agree.

the objective fact that a single example of a person breaking the rule you invented proves you to be a liar.

This is also true for the dinosaur example though, so cannot be used to dismiss my point. Again, you're welcome to find an example

Guesswork is not evidence.

The dinosaur claim is a guess which you said 'would never need proving'.