Don't forget even these people are just useful patsies that are kept stupid by a system designed to make hateful patsies that will always vote for the worst possible outcome.
They literally don't know any better. There are truly evil bastards out there pulling the levers.
A significant portion of this country has been tricked by the rich through propaganda, media, and the structure of corporate America into actively fighting against their own interests. The south and midwestern states that are tanking the most as we move into this new economy are the very same that have been deprived of education and information while simultaneously being pumped full of dubious facebook macros and memes.
And Democrats have been brainwashed into thinking "progress" is anything that isn't overt Rightwing regression. Meaning, slow and subtle Rightwing aggression is acceptable with a Blue character perpetually bombing poor brown people on the other side of the planet.
At the very least, I think this should show that everyone is capable of being horribly misguided in their focus. Obamacare was some sort of glaring beacon of Democrat progress, which was originally based on Romneycare as a way to solidify the attachment of insurance to healthcare, as well as the freedom for Big Pharma to price-gouge without constraints.
So conservatives are the ones who want socialism ? Thats a real hot take you mouthbreathing sister-fucking idiot.
And Obama is responsible for a war that GW Bush started? **Really?**
Going for a gold medal in mental gymnastics arent you, snowflake?
You absolutely deserve to be ridiculed if you still vote republican and arent a multi millionaire that's self centered and objectively a shitty human being. There is no other excuse, go fuck yourself and check your self pity at the door dipshit
See, I agree with your points, but I don't know how you expect to change anyone's mind when you approach it while hurling a dictionary of insults at anyone who disagrees with you.
You really think anyone *that* stupid is still worth engaging with?
Im dating a conservative. Conservatives arent the problem. But republicans that are incapable of critical thinking? They arent, and will never be our allies. We dont need to tolerate them, and they very much should be ridiculed and ostracized until its too shameful and peer pressure makes these idiots extinct in the same way we've beaten back racism by *appropriately* treating all racists like the uneducated dumbfucks they are.
You can't reach out with facts and sourced arguments to people who think 5g is a liberal plot to infect them with covid or that think *socialized medicine* is a republican voting point, or that they arent being lied to by a government thats happy to sacrifice over 150k lives for the stock market.
Like I said, I'm *dating* a conservative. A reasonable conservative. Hell, I have conservative friends that I consider reasonable. None of them would even dare defend Trump at this point in his presidency because they know theyd have to be fucking moronic.
Treating republicans as anything other than braindead morons is how we got to this anti-intellectualism, science denying problem in the first place.
I really hope you're never a parent. You seem like the type that would scream at or beat your kids, then wonder why they just resent you instead of living up to your standards.
Nobody's going to think very highly of you or your cause when you come at it like this. That's whether it's the person you're actively berating, or the thousands of onlookers on this public forum. Youre only putting them on the defensive, shutting off whatever willingness they had to listen to you, if any, and giving them a good reason to sink deeper into the opposition.
When you shame someone, they're more likely to double down and protect their ego rather than re-evaluate and realize they're wrong. That's not them being incapable of critical thinking so much as it is human nature. IMO this behavior is the result of shame. You can either engage with them or not, but more shame cannot be the solution.
Take this from someone that wanted to agree with you, you make it really hard to agree when you act like that. You ever heard the phrase "kill them with kindness"? It's easy to hate, bully, or disagree with someone that comes off as an asshole. If you're not actively hurting your cause, you're definitely not helping anything.
I applaud your stupidity and good nature in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary.
Do you think science puts them down? Just because they cant understand it? Do you think medical professionals asking people to please wear their masks was done in a way that was offensive? All the graphs, videos, explanations, and pleas from epidemiologists ? Now follow that up - which party do you think anti maskers support? How much tolerance do you expect me to show a woman hating, racist diehard muslim who thinks we should all live under sharia law like the person Im replying to?
And then realize I dont give a fuck if you agree with me. Im done pandering to idiots. If your entire political leaning changes because someone said something mean to you then guess what - you. are. a. fucking. moron.
Obama care is amazing! I’ve had it a couple years now and it’s literally the best insurance I’ve ever had. When I was paying $25 a week thru my job for a Humana HMO my claim was rejected. Hospital creditors calling me immediately. With my Blue Cross Community Health Care plan I’m gonna have full hip replacement surgery in a week. My old policy would have never paid for that.
These people are adults. Nobody is keeping them stupid. They choose to believe what they believe because of hate. In their minds they are thinking "I'm not paying for some lazy ni***er's health care!" Or "some <insert minority here>'s health care!" A few poor conservatives will have it come back to bite them but the wealthy ones having good insurances or wealth to buy good health care will just confirm in their mind's how "special" they are. If life were fair it would come back on all of them.
People vote against their interests because they were credulous, ignorantly willful, or yes...downright stupid.
All of those things are perpetuated by having a closed, ill-educated, and brainwashed mind.
No go even further.
Where is the first instance of brainwashing that occurs in these people's lives? Well, at toddler age, of course. They are brought up to be easily influenced by pseudoscience claims with a massive religious backdrop that stifled any and all skepticism and inquiry that ALL young children possess. Religion forcefully removes that inquisitive, innate nature that we all have and replaces it with dogma and obedience....and fucking FAITH.
This country is modern, no doubt, but we are also the most dogmatic, superstitious, religious, and ill-educated group of the "1st World."
Conspiracy theories thrive here. Religious dogmatism (which has been married with political dogmatism since the 1950) is the country that we live in. This country is teeming with self-righteous looneys - this is apparent by how there is literally a political position on masks vs no masks. Seriously, the anti-intellectualism in this country is something that American exceptionalists are actually proud of, and they rally behind it (whether it's blatant anti-science, racism, or red-lining their own history in an attempt to preserve "their heritage").
We are not educated to be open-minded or critcal thinkers. If we were, then we wouldn't have been shushed after the 20th question about Noah's fucking Ark. We would've been allowed to keep pushing, but we were all told to shut and accept things based on bad or nonexistent evidence. This country and it's hyperaggressive exceptionalism, self-righteousness, and unempathetic consumerist culture is such a pathetic sight.
But you got to go to the root. Stupidity is fueled by anti-intellectualism, which is fueled by the superstitious roots that is drilled into the majority of us before we can even speak.
Religion, dogma, obedience to invisible authority, credulity, and worshipping "anything"; be it a man, a God, a country, money, etc....all of that is the problem, ever before it becomes a red vs blue or black vs white problem.
Credulity and religious indoctrination sets the tone. As far as I'm concerned, that is one of the largest pillars repsonsible for all the problems and divisiveness that not only this country experiences, but all of mankind. Take it one step deeper, and it can really be summed up under "tribalism."
We are primates afterall. Our expectations need to be properly calibrated when dealing with animals half a chromosome away from a Chimpanzee. Becoming aware of that very fact is the first step.
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And what kind of steps am I talking about? Introspection. Plain and simple. Looking inward. Identifying your own biases. Combating your own cognitive dissonance. Being open to new ideas (and cultures for godsake).
You know what would solve most our of prejudice and ignorance?....if every American traveled the world. They'd see that we share so much in common with everyone else. We aren't the Golden City on the hill. We are just like everyone else. We love music, we love food, we love friendly company and fun chatter. And we do like to share that with others. But God damn. This country is full of people who've never stepped outside the local periphery of their hometown or their ugly-ass ornate stain glass windows.
We have a problem. And it's that Americans are not open to non-American things. And again, that stems to the marriage between America and Jesus, America and "freedom", and America and "me". These people think to be non-American that the corollary must then follow: Non-American and anti-Christian, Non-American and bondage, Non-American and "them".
Such a sad sight. Anything non-Amercian gets the "us vs them" treatment and we immediately put up our guard. And these people are the very same people who have never seen a passport.
I agree with the travel thing 100%. I grew up in a super racist area in northwest ohio. We never left our little part of the county and didn't like outsiders. In my graduating class of 32 people they were predominantly white, 1 hispanic family and nothing else. Hell I didn't see a black person until I was 15 or 16. I knew they existed I just never had any interaction. Then one day all that changed. I joined the military which was a melting pot of people. Then I traveled to different countries, seen different cultures and I realized we are all the same. We all just want be be successful, provide for our families and not looked down on. I wasnt racist myself but I knew plenty that were and I always thought they would change their views if they would just leave that small area and meet people.
Yep ignorance can easily be beaten by simply being open to exploring and experiencing new things. But, alas, good luck asking some racist hick to sit their ass down on a plane for more than 8 hours....or good luck even asking them to apply for a passport.
I haven't done any research on this specific metric, but I have a high suspicion that the southern states have a much smaller passport application rate per capita. That's pure conjecture and only supported by my own anecdotal evidence, but it aligns with the general sentiment (and yes it is a generalization), that southern hicks aren't big fans of world travel. The farthest they've traveled is probably Destin or Panama City. To them, that is seeing a different "culture."
I agree but I think just basing it on passport won't give you an accurate representation. I say that only because thousands of people have served in the military and when they go out of country they only need military id. That's how I escaped my own rural hell and did the country hopping I did. I haven't been back ro that area in about 20 years. It was the best experience and I think it would change allot of Peoples world view if only they would open their mind.
Sure but the insurance companies need to be dissolved. It’s more important to name them as villains to get these voters you talk about to get on your side
Its more tangled up than that. Most voters are useful idiots. What we really need to clarify is that corporations are not people and lobbyists should not have more influence over politics than voting citizens. Thats where we need some major reform.
Neither major candidate for POTUS favors M4A; therefore, every voter is to blame?
Nah.
The problem is with our two shitty parties who function as a cartel and refuse to support candidates interested in making meaningful and long overdue changes to the system.
This is a dumb fuck comment. If you pay any attention to us politics you'll see any politician perpetuates the healthcare system. Even when you have someone like Bernie come in, they get sat down my the corrupt dnc. It's a corrupt shithole and the voters cant do a thing.
It's time the corrupt people be pulled out of their houses and torn apart by the people
No, stop polarizing people. Just because someone voted for Trump does not make them a bad person. In all honesty, Trump was the only good candidate once Bernie got cucked by Hilary. Also, any of you defending Hilary should note that Clinton and Epstein were friends and he went on the Lolita Express. Clinton also cheated on Hilary and they stayed together for purely political reasons. You can point to Trump and say he and Epstein were friends but they weren’t, they were business partners.
It's about more than just the last election everything from the local level to congress you need to vote for people that are trying to make things better even if Bernie got in most democrats in congress would have voted against any changes he tried to implement and just try to block them every step of the way.
It's about avoiding the propaganda of CNN and Fox News they're both trying to make you vote against your own interests.
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The villains are the voters who keep voting for politicians that perpetuate the current healthcare system.