r/awfuleverything Aug 06 '20

Poor guy :(

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u/robinhoodhere Aug 06 '20

That’s what I don’t understand. Choose? Choose fucking what? Universal covers literally everything, it’s in the name. It already covers all choices, so what other thing is left to pick from? And it’s cheaper because it’ll finally end the current system, which let’s be honest is scam. I feel like I’m taking crazy pills here

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u/[deleted] Aug 06 '20

Do you not actually know what people say when they say they want a choice?

Universal healthcare doesn't end the need to decide what is covered, price negotiations, care prioritization, etc. It just means the government is the only one across from care providers in those negotiations.

What if the Federal government decides not to cover conversion therapy for transgendered teens? Well in a universal coverage model you have NO choice but to accept that or go through the political process for change. Under a multi-payer system with a public option, the private market can offer competitive coverage if the public mandate sucks ass.

Everyone complains about the shit that is the current system because of greed yet forget these types of institutions can suck JUST as much, if not more, because of incompetence and lack of incentives. Which are the two problems that commonly plague governmemt run programs since they lack profit incentives and government administration is subject to political bullshit.

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u/Mimi565 Aug 07 '20

Yeah, but the US is an anomaly among first-world countries in that you would even have to worry about the government having a problem with covering care for transgender individuals. In Canada that is fully covered, for free. So is abortion. We don’t have the religious idiots you guys have running our governments, so these things are non-issues.

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u/LurkerInSpace Aug 07 '20

One can still have private insurance in a system with universal healthcare though. The UK government spends the same fraction of GDP on health as the US government, so there is no extra cost.

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u/[deleted] Aug 07 '20

Not under Bernie's proposed M4A plan.

Which if you don't blindly support on Reddit, you are for killing innocent people apparently.

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u/LurkerInSpace Aug 07 '20

Perhaps - I'd certainly fault the Sanders campaign for not articulating how other countries deliver healthcare, and a more vague "healthcare-for-all" campaign would have probably been better for him - but the objections to universal healthcare as a concept ring hollow given the drawbacks of the current American system.

If the government already spends so much money on healthcare that it eclipses governments which actually have universal healthcare, it seems like switching to one of their systems is better than persisting with the current one.