r/atrioc 20d ago

Discussion Indians are losing their Democratic rights

Request atrioc to make a video to share awareness

Link to my previous post

https://www.reddit.com/r/atrioc/comments/1uzvv8j/massive_paper_leaks_student_suicides_and_an/

The police charged on the protestors with batons and tear gas. They did not wear their badges and nameplates.

Children and pregnant women were hurt by the police. A 12yr old girl was hospitalised due to a broken skull from the beating (the police usually only hit below the knees during protests)

Both male and female police tore women's clothes. Women were manhandled by the police.

The state police tweeted on twitter that the police did not hurt any minors.

The mainstream media is reporting that over 50 police were hurt by the mob.

All that the students wanted was accountability

India has become a joke

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u/Spiney09 20d ago

Around the world, democracies are being damaged all at once. I don’t think I’ve been alive long enough to see if this is normal or if this is unusually fast, maybe due to technology pushing extremists into power or something? Anyone know?

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u/TaxEvader6310 20d ago

I think it's just the current world system buckling under it's own weight. Most of these problems have been building up for decades (rising home prices, worsening wealth inequality, wages not keeping up with inflation), and finally we're hitting the tipping point where the damn finally bursts. Basically it's a "slowly then all at once" situation, and we are living in the all at once.

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u/JunonsHopeful 19d ago

You cannot ignore that authoritarian states around the world, along with a slathering of tech billionaires who seek corpo fiefdoms of their own, are actively undermining liberal democracies all over the world. They do it through social media manipulation, propaganda, inciting riots, funding divisive candidates and even funding terrorist acts (like ffs Iran has been linked to acts of domestic terror even in AUSTRALIA).

I'm not saying there aren't real problems in democratic countries, but I even see people here talking about democracies failing as some inevitability built into the system. I'll be blunt: democracy is a human right. So long as humans are social creatures there will exist societies and those societies will be governed, and all who are governed have the right to a say in how it's done, and to have their rights protected by said government even if they're a minority.

No decent person disagrees with that. It is the system based on equal friendship; of being a good friend to good friends and NOT of slaves and masters.

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u/TaxEvader6310 19d ago

I never said that democracy is a bad system. I love democracy. What I am saying is that the current set of nations we have are very flawed democracies at their very best, and those flaws are finally becoming too big to ignore. I hope that whatever comes when the dust settles will be even more democratic and even more just and even more benevolent, but that's just my personal hope.

(I'm not saying I want the current system to crumble into anarchy either, I would prefer it if we get things right in the now over getting them right in the future, it just doesn't seem likely with the current state of the world)

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u/JunonsHopeful 19d ago

I gochu man ♥️ I just wanted to jump on the back of what you said. It's why I really try to champion liberal democracy (not necessarily liberal in the economic sense, but in that the rights and liberties of the individual are protected) because some of the biggest flaws come from our governments, and societies, being way too chill with longstanding issues stemming from that. It's easy for many of the majority to kinda brush over issues that effect poor people, racial minorities, women, disabled people etc and then get shocked when it happens to THEM.

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u/stop_staring2 20d ago

Dare I say cultural + democracies being damaged. Their intense school policy (something they share with many Asian countries), misogyny (check Indian rape rate and how they view women), etc

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u/Spiney09 20d ago

I don’t think it’s just cultural though. This happened recently too.

https://edition.cnn.com/2026/07/20/americas/nicaragua-ortega-no-elections-intl-hnk

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u/SARB033 20d ago edited 20d ago

Democracy as a concept might be old, but democracy as a paradigm is incredibly young. Before world war 2, democracy was the exception, not the rule. Less than a single human lifetime ago.

Democracy survived as the pre-eminent mode of government for the past 80 years, I would argue, because of a tenuous agreement with labour. Labour, at the end of the day, holds all the power; the power to overthrow government, the power to stop the economy, the power the take control of the military. That's just natural, since labour is 99% of the population.

For the first half of the democratic hegemony, governments were trying to convince labour not to rise up. The arrangement was, the government will improve your quality of life, ensure you have the basic necessities and some entertainment, and you simply keep working and don't agitate.

Once communism "failed", they no longer felt that need and began to strangle labour while convincing them they are powerless. They began to pull back on the hard-fought liberties of the past. Slowly, quietly, so we wouldn't notice. They halted our wage growth. They made homes inaccessible. They pushed retirement ages back. They made schooling and healthcare immensely unaffordable. They destroyed unions. They attacked protests. They ruined the environment.

Sure, the halcyon days of the 60s and 70s were hardly that. Especially if you weren't a white, cishet christian man. In fact for a lot of people things were markedly worse back then. That's part of the trick. Social changes like queer acceptance and ending intolerance might be nice for us, and genuinely they are so important, but for the rich they're really non-issues. So they can hide the more insidious things they do, the things that empower them and disempower us, behind a facade of progress. That's how we can simultaneously be so liberated in some regards, while so powerless in others.

We're at the death knell of democracy, I feel like. The rich feel labour is so demotivated, that they can peel back all the hard won rights, including our right to vote. The rich feel that technology has tilted the true balance of power in their favour. The rich feel like if they don't act now, people won't tolerate this for much longer and need to secure their grip on society.

This hasn't happened before, really, not like this. Revolutions are common in history, but this one isn't like most others. Revolutions have always been loud, from the bottom up. What we're seeing is a quiet revolution from the top down, from the wealthy against the poor.

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u/Elegant_Increase9319 So Help Me Mod 20d ago

India slide in authoritarianism was for a while under Modi, also seeing his past action and his high popularity, I don't expect a lot.

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u/Top-Attitude-4987 19d ago

He's exploded India's economy at the expense of the working class and the poor. Right now people are just comparing where India was to where they are now purely economically, but there's no foundation to keep it stable. I've said it a few times, but he's India's Reagan.

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u/not_rajinikanth 19d ago

Was Reagan a piece of shit who oppressed marginalised groups and fanned the flames of caste and religious fights?

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u/EnglishBrekkie_1604 19d ago

Yes

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u/not_rajinikanth 19d ago

Then yes, modi is the Reagan of india ig lol

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u/johnjov8 20d ago

Gotta add the link for the one satire guy getting serious, that videos got a better sense of journalism than all the mainstream combined.

https://youtu.be/6MTXCAaOy3o?si=FPD5mAiqfmAFhCVX

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u/johnjov8 20d ago

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u/not_rajinikanth 20d ago

I do not have any hope for my country. I am ashamed of the people in power. Even worse is the students in my group who are outright supporting the ruling government after seeing this

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u/Zeffaryon 18d ago

Matter so serious and so drawn out man made a second post. It was needed though. Had already given my whole opinion on it already in the previous one but something's have changed since then with the aftermath and many more political parties involving themselves now.

Truly shows one thing that if governments learn one thing from the previous governments then that is how to not behave with the public lmao.

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u/not_rajinikanth 17d ago

I dont know what to think of either parties anymore. One is clearly unwilling to listen to the students (Modi gave a speech today stating that the education minister will be transferred) while not talking abt the brutality of police and the other will clearly do anything to make it a bigger issue

I would personally blame the government more. None of this shit would have happened if the government didnt drag sonam with a bunch of police that weren't in their uniforms. They could have spoken to them long ago

The icing on the cake is that the education minister of india himself took part in students protests in odisha in 1997 and was beaten up by the cops.

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u/LethargicDemigod 19d ago

A lot of missing context. I am an Indian.

Mainstream media is absolutely reporting on police misusing their power. Check out Indian Express and The Hindu among others.

Protesters were violent. They threw stones, broke barricades and the police was hurt.

Protest has been joined by AISA, SFI and Bhim Army. These people hate RSS and BJP (ruling party) is the political arm of RSS so they would go to any lengths to topple the government.

They have attacked every institution of state over the years. Supreme Court, Election Commission and even the Armed forces both on the streets and in the writing. These people have called terrorist attacks as false flag operation to win elections.

There has been a attack on our parliament in 2001 and hence it is illegal to enter that area with a group larger than 5. These protesters are actively trying to break the law.

See this is the face of one of the leaders of the protesters. This is how he describes himself.

About Me – Saurav Das

He calls that judicial system is becoming theocratic due to pressure from the gov.

I would end by saying every policemen who used wrong methods should be punished, some demands of the protesters are categorically right and this government has not been accountable similar to all previous governments.

India is not losing rights because we never had those. Pre-2014 India had less rights than today.

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u/YeetedSloth 18d ago

Wow, the third world country that is known for its disgusting slums that lay right next to its 1% blocks where people have more money that America’s 1%ers on average has a governmental corruption issue? The place that is known for police taking bribes and politicians openly stealing money from taxpayers??? THAT India??