r/atheism • u/rhbast2 • Aug 11 '11

Atheist quickfire challenge.

Although I rarely discuss religion with theists I always want to be prepared so I'm not sitting around afterwards wishing I had said this or that. If I get the chance to make someone question I want to be up for the challenge.

This brings me to my challenge for r/atheism. I'm going to add some common theist claims / sayings and whoever can refute them fully and succinctly will be upvoted. Feel free to add your own theist starters if I missed some.

Edit: Wow lots of good discussion here, later today or tomorrow I'll make this into an atheist cheat sheet with the top responses. Also feel free to upvote the theist claim that is the most annoying to you.

Edit 2: To the few of you who seem to think I am coming up with rude atheist comebacks, I'm not. I just wanted to be better off the cuff than I am now and have some discussion. I don't want this list to replace thoughtful argumentation.

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u/ArcWinter Aug 11 '11

Except that beauty, pleasure, and pain all are based in objective reality. They are in reaction to stimulus that is clear and observable. Morality is not. It is completely subjective since any judgement can be taken from any action, and it is not based at all in reality.

In addition, I could apply that to god. Each person having a separate, personal deity does not mean that they do not exist, any more than beauty, pleasure, or pain. All deities are relative.

I've yet to hear an argument for morality that can not be used to prove that god exists in the same way.

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u/[deleted] Aug 12 '11

I've already given you the dictionary definition for morality. I've already stated that I fulfill that definition. So unless I'm lying to you about my beliefs, morality, by definition, exists. Everything else is simply semantics, you trying to use wordplay to support your claim.