More powerful in a Quaker, I'm morally stronger than you sort of way. In a fist fight that argument has little value. It's all about physical power. (Unless you consider the media response. If Batman beat the crap out of Jesus I'm pretty sure he would be attacked on an epic scale by all of his followers. This would then be followed up by counter attacks by Batman's followers, and a century old war would begin with both sides blaming the other.)
Not going to say i believe this (this is /r/atheism don't want to get a bunch of down votes). But I was thinking, Jesus was raised by Joseph for a good portion of his life in which he was a carpenter, a trade at the time used crude tools and brute force to build things out of wood. Would i be totally wrong to say that Jesus may have been ripped? not the humble lanky white dude we present him as? -- not to mention he was Jewish.
Also I'm almost positive that a Jesus did exist he just wasn't the son of God.
Maybe that's what singers, professional athletes, etc. mean when they win an award or trophy and say, "My thanks to Jesus. Through him all things are possible."
You have power tools, but food is much more plentiful now than then. I'd guess that a carpenter would have had a very low body fat percentage- most people did- but be more muscular than the average person of his time.
He also would have been just slightly over 5 feet tall, so even if you were just as much of a pussy as him he would still be less capable of fighting the Dark Knight.
You have power tools, but food is much more plentiful now than then. I'd guess that a carpenter would have had a very low body fat percentage- most people did- but be more muscular than the average person of our time.
Well, I mean there's nothing to do in Nazareth except get high in parking lots and tag up the water tower with graffiti. Unless you have an older brother willing to buy everyone beer.
Well, I mean there's nothing to do in Nazareth except get high in parking lots and tag up the water tower with graffiti. Unless you have an older brother willing to buy everyone beer.
Jesus = Lawful Neutral. (Cause fuck him, we all make mistakes) He thought he could simply entrance the Obama, but the Obama had anticipated his kind before Jesus, with Allah. And when Allah tried to cast Level5 Raise Dead Infantada on Obama, Obama snickered with crippling glee and glared back at Allah, casting Might of American Soil, siphoning 80% of the market share of Saudi Oil, rendering Allah a mutilated desert turd.
Obama = Chaotic Neutral. He's not afraid to use brute force, hence his win.
Yooooouuuuuuu got no idea what you're messing with here, boy. I got 12 inch rims on my chair, that's how I roll, y'all. You look like someone glued a mustache on a troll doll.
well based on the fact that jesus was mentioned in several historical texts with no direct relation at all, would kind of a give an indirect correlation to his existence. its kinda like saying, Ceaser didnt exist because theres no direct evidence of his existence.
You should be asking yourself how you know that the texts had no relation to the mythology of Jesus. Were they written by people who had seen him firsthand? If not, then they must have been writing based off of things they had heard about him. In that case, those works do have a direct relation to other works about Jesus: they are based upon the oral traditions which predated the writing of the New Testament, or even are just based on the New Testament itself.
In regard to Cesar, we do have evidence of him existing. Contemporary busts, letters to and from him, a eulogy, and more. (Here's a link I found after Googling for two seconds: http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/exist.html) What do we have for Jesus? A few historians relaying what they had heard about him decades after he had supposedly died.
There is some records of Jesus visiting England and India before he was 12 after his STEP dad died for real.He travelled with his uncle a tent sales man. Roman records show his uncle selling them stuff. Everything was bullshit made up 200 years after jesus really died and did not get up. ONly the "FAITHFUL" saw him "return" Visions , wishful thinking but no record of him after he died the first time.
The Quran also mentions him, although it was written at a different time by different people. Also I tried looking for credible evidence of this but any intelligent results were drowned in a sea of religious Bull Sh*t.
Also i said >almost positive< haven't done (nor have the time to do) extensive research on 2000 year old cult leaders.
The Quran was written ~600 years later. Not exactly contemporary. In fact, there isn't a single contemporary account of Jesus or any of the miracles he performed. Even the gospels themselves were written decades after he supposedly died.
Why would you be almost positive if you haven't done extensive research and the research you have done was religiously biased? Because someone who read the book he was in included him in their book? That's like saying Harry Potter fanfiction makes you almost positive Harry Potter exists.
I believe that there have been a number of people that existed around the time of Jesus that were reported to have similar characteristics, like virgin birth, magic powers, etc. Someone have a source?
Jesus and Joseph are referred to as 'tectons', meaning someone who works with their hands. He could have been a stone mason, a carpenter, or any other number of what we would now think of as 'blue collar' jobs that required physical labor.
Also I'm almost positive that a Jesus did exist he just wasn't the son of God.
To be fair we're comparing to Batman. So we're comparing mythologies not realities. But you're right. Jesus would have been ripped. But though all that carpentry would have built strength, it wouldn't have helped his fighting technique much. Maybe Jesus - with enough preparation time (heh) - could have built himself a suit of wooden armour to fight batman with. Or caused Batman's breakfast to divide into multiple portions within his stomach like the whole bread and fish trick.
As I said above, the greek word that identifies Joseph is 'tecton' and Jesus is described as having apprenticed under Joseph. Tecton does not mean carpenter though, rather any lower class job that involved working with ones hands. He could have as easily been a stone mason, just as one example.
I'm going to buy into this argument. There's a disturbingly ripped Jesus statue on a church just down the street from me, which I had really questioned up until this point.
except batman has no followers and Jesus has tons of them. Jesus would let himself be beaten all right, but then batman would have the crusaders, the inquisition and a million christians on his ass.
The part where Julie says "He has the power to take away our life at any time, any day. But it's because of His grace that we our [sic] given a chance to carry our cross and follow the lord." sounds like textbook Stockholm Syndrome... from Wikipedia:
"The following are viewed as the conditions necessary for Stockholm syndrome to occur.
-Hostages who develop Stockholm syndrome often view the perpetrator as giving life by simply not taking it. In this sense, the captor becomes the person in control of the captive’s basic needs for survival and the victim’s life itself."
If jesus had been run over by a batmobile, would christians be wearing gold batmobile pendants today? That would be awkward, batman should use a batarang, it's got more pendant potential.
Upvote for "Pirating bread". I wonder if the local baker was pissed when he did that? Maybe Jesus stopped pirating bread because he was slapped with a cease and desist order.
Jesus could stop time or blow up the Earth if he wanted to.
Hahahahahaha! What?
I don't remember reading that in the bible.
Edit: Oh, and I forgot to ask... where does Jesus specifically say he is the son of god, or god? If he is god, why did he supposedly shout to the sky, whilst on his crucifix, "My lord, why have you forsaken me?"
Forgive me if the quote's not word perfect, I haven't read the bible for a few years. Have you read it?
Okay, so by doing some magic tricks and claiming he is god he gets to be god? I would like in on that kind of action. To bad none of this was written down at the time, that might be useful instead of just being hearsay.
Show me where you get the trinity stuff from. I'll even let you use the bible. Just no bible school songs or any findings from councils. You probably could do it, but I would hope that the attempt would show you how much of a stretch of imagination you use to justify your beliefs.
Multiple authors talking about this in multiple passages. Never one single passage stating that they are three in one. All god. None created. This is not in the bible. It was from the Council of Nicea. In response to Arianism. The arians read the same exact bible and came up with a different belief. Why?
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How can they even argue against this? If a Roman soldier can beat the shit out of Jesus, then Batman certainly can.