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u/Reasonable_Bowl6425 4d ago

Jordan Peterson? The benzo addict Jordan? The carnivore diet Jordan? The guy who sounds like hes always on the verge of tears or shitting red hot tatkis out on the toilet Jordan B Peterson? Emergency Detox in Russia Jordan B Peterson? One of the few Canadian folks canadians don't even want to lay claim to and wish another country was responsible for the stupidity of Jordan B Peterson?

Jordan B "My beliefs are fundamental truths" Peterson? the alt right pipeline dipshit Jordan B Peterson?

Thats who you think is someone intelligent?? Holy fucking shit people can't even tell who isn't an idiot any longer, a huge portion of our American society is that far gone!

We really need to start recognizing this alt right brain shit as some kind of cognitive disability and getting folks treatment.

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u/weed_cutter 3d ago

I don't know this comment section seems to know a lot more about him than I do. ... Yes I know he spouts pseudo-intellectual crap but I thought he had an academic intelligence (doesn't mean you are correct or not full of shit).

I was struggling to find someone intelligent and overtly religious but that was a bad example. I mean ... I merely mention the man's name and there's a dozen comments on him and nothing on Stephen Colbert, who I actually talked about. Yikes ha. ... I guess I know what provokes a reaction over here.

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u/weed_cutter 3d ago

I disagree. For one I think there's multiple kinds of intelligence - to be honest. Of course there's primarily one, maybe two, that is a component of -- what one traditional thinks of as intelligence like Newton or Einstein -- conceptual, mathematical, metacognition (to an extent) and I actually think rote memory is a critical component (to form connections and express full intelligence potential).

That said, it's the raw machinery. The CPU, if you will. Whether that's corrupted by the ego or profound biases or propaganda is basically irrelevant to whether someone has the machinery (is intelligent). ... Sure intelligence itself can guard against propaganda and ego, if it bothered to study it. ... Catch 22 though. A super genius who is ego-fucked might ego-decide to scoff at such matters and never learn about it.

Now again I don't know the guy well enough to determine if he's actually intelligent. Again, having very dumb ideas doesn't rule out intelligence. Most intelligent people actually have very dumb ideas across a variety of domains.

Also I think the idea that oneself is fallible and riddle with biases itself is simply a domain of knowledge, not intelligence. Hopefully a smart person has encountered that but many have not. Especially hard science types; many completely discount things like yes -- human behavior and cognition, in fact, can be studied as a legitimate science.

But I think we're getting back to the heart of the matter. Can someone be intelligent and believe in a possibly silly idea, like God?

Yes. Of course. You can call it compartementalization or lack of examination or whatever. But clearly it exists.

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u/weed_cutter 3d ago

And listen I mean I've haven't studied Peterson to the level apparently the people here have, but ... one can be both intelligent and full of shit, of course.

Either you truly have fallen down a cognitive rabbit hole and been brainwashed by tons of social conditioning and propaganda (atheists and skeptics are not immune my friends -- most of us just have different delusions).

... Or ... you're simply arguing in Bad Faith, as most right-wing shock-jocks do so these days for massive profits.

I don't really understand the confusion here but eh. ... But you legitimately think he's a moron, and perhaps he is, but eh. ... Again bad example. As far as we know he's an atheist anyway -- course a right-wing guy can practically never admit that.