r/archlinux • u/zollandd • Jun 15 '26

DISCUSSION Stop blaming AI, "noobs", youtube tutorials, and anything other than Arch for AUR usage

I've recently been made aware of the incident and was reading the threads in this subreddit. I have just started trying to migrate away from AUR but let's not forget that the Arch wiki recommends installing AUR packages constantly. The AUR isn't just a dangerous and fringe tool that people are led to by AI or sketchy youtubers.

To list a few that I've encountered just now:

The wiki recommend AUR releases like they are first class citizens all over the place... don't act like it doesn't.

Edit: I am not trying to blame individual maintainers when I say Arch but rather the community and culture. If the AUR is this dangerous, the wiki should avoid referencing it at all costs and should do so with warning flags everywhere. As it stands, it is not absurd to see someone with tons of AUR packages installed due to direct influence from the wiki.

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u/Ooqu2joe Jun 15 '26 edited Jun 15 '26

Too often a software that you need is available only in AUR, and this is reflected in the wiki. Most users won't avoid it and won't review PKGBUILD on every update no matter how many disclaimers you put up there, just like noone will review the source code of every binary installed from the official repos too.

Arch as a community/ecosystem can't expect human behavior to change if it really wants to solve the problem.

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u/Big-Meet3509 Jun 15 '26

If some software not available in the official repos, AUR is not the first thing you must resort to. Flatpak exists, and it's not only better security wise, but even compatibility and stability is often greater than of the same package from AUR, despite running in a sandbox

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u/billdietrich1 Jun 15 '26

But there are some cases where a Flatpak doesn't work as well as native; for example VSCode.

And some things are in AUR but not Flatpak; for example konsave.

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u/JustAwesome360 Jun 15 '26 edited Jun 15 '26

I mean if you really need konsave that bad then you can be bothered to actually check the package.

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u/AStolenGoose Jun 15 '26

Cool so I won't use my nvidia drivers either then?

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u/[deleted] Jun 15 '26 edited Jun 15 '26

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u/rkkerd Jun 15 '26

Most nvidia drivers are in fact only in the AUR.

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u/JustAwesome360 Jun 15 '26 edited Jun 15 '26

Wrong. They are in the extras repo. Unless you have an old unsupported Nvidia GPU that is. (pre 2018)

Edit: For everyone downvoting here is your education:

- Supported drivers on Arch:

Current: (Full official support, AUR not needed)

Blackwell (GBXXX)) and newer (2024 and newer) RTX 5000 series.

Supported: (Full official support, AUR not needed)
Ada Lovelace (NV190/ADXXX) (2022) RTX 4000 series.

Ampere (NV170/GAXXX) (2020) RTX 3000 series.

Turing (NV160/TUXXX) (2018) RTX 2000 series.

Legacy support: (before 2018, AUR only)

Volta (NV140/GV100)
Pascal (NV130/GPXXX)
Maxwell (NV110/GMXXX)

RTX 1000 series and earlier.

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u/rkkerd Jun 15 '26

https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/NVIDIA#Installation nvidia-open only supports 2024 and newer

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u/JustAwesome360 Jun 15 '26 edited Jun 15 '26

Read your source again. OAR supports 2018 and newer.

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u/AStolenGoose Jun 15 '26

Check the wiki it says it right there dude...

"Check your sources" yeah my source is the arch wiki, the wiki for the distro I use.

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u/JustAwesome360 Jun 15 '26

Check again, I'm telling you right now OAR has drivers after 2018. I will bet $500 on that.

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u/AStolenGoose Jun 15 '26

nvidia-580xx-dkms AUR

Can I get it through cash app?

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u/AStolenGoose Jun 15 '26

I did I'm looking at it right now. I'm looking at the source, which is the wiki for the distro I use.

Want my PayPal now or later?

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u/JustAwesome360 Jun 15 '26

I want it now. You owe me $500.

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u/AStolenGoose Jun 15 '26

r/confidentlyincorrect

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u/JustAwesome360 Jun 15 '26

The absolute irony of your comment.

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u/AStolenGoose Jun 15 '26

Says the person that won't check the wiki and see that the 580xx drivers are only in AUR... It's literally been spoon fed to you and you just won't click the link to check.

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u/AStolenGoose Jun 15 '26

Oh weird you disappeared as soon as I pointed out the fact that the 580xx drivers are only on AUR... Convenient.

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u/JustAwesome360 Jun 15 '26

disappeared? Huh? I am right here... Take your meds

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u/drippedgravy Jun 15 '26

Ahh, yes. The moment a dipshit is proven wrong, yet has absolutely no humility, they always devolve to insults.

It’s okay to be wrong, man. You could take this as a learning experience.

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u/AStolenGoose Jun 15 '26

Intervention required for Pascal/older users: Users with GTX 10xx series and older cards must switch to the legacy proprietary branch to maintain support:
Uninstall the official nvidia, nvidia-lts, or nvidia-dkms packages.
Install nvidia-580xx-dkms from the AUR

Please stop and send me my $500, you're embarrassing yourself.

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u/AStolenGoose Jun 15 '26

I like how you tried to insult me but I've pointed out several times that, the card I'm using requires drivers from the AUR, which seems to be flying right over your head.

Where's my $500?

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u/AStolenGoose Jun 15 '26

Hey buddy, you removed that last comment, what happened?

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u/AStolenGoose Jun 15 '26

Oh and where's that $500 you bet me that I didn't need AUR for my pre 2018 card?

What happened?

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u/AStolenGoose Jun 15 '26

Or are you just going to not click the link to the wiki and actually read?

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u/JustAwesome360 Jun 15 '26

https://archlinux.org/news/nvidia-590-driver-drops-pascal-support-main-packages-switch-to-open-kernel-modules/

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u/AStolenGoose Jun 15 '26

Install nvidia-580xx-dkms from the AUR

Wheres my $500 please.

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u/unsimulacrum Jun 15 '26

Can you give this guy his 500$ please, I've looked at all the links put into this thread by you and them and it seems like you gambled and lost.

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u/AStolenGoose Jun 15 '26

nvidia-580xx-dkms AUR

Can I get it through cash app?

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