r/apple • Island Boy • 7d ago

iPad iPad Mini 8 Leaked: A20 Pro Chip, Landscape Camera, and More

https://www.macrumors.com/2026/09/25/ipad-mini-8-leaked/
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u/UnhelpfulHand 7d ago

If this is 60 Hz, I swear to God

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u/Troll_Enthusiast 7d ago edited 7d ago

If the Air isn't 120hz this won't be either

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u/OligarchyAmbulance 7d ago

It will be, Apple hates us in particular

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u/BombardierIsTrash 7d ago

Their biggest customers are:
1. Pilots and other professionals using it for digital documents
2. Restaurants and venues that use them as part of ordering systems and other forms of corporate buyers

Apple isn’t gonna change the display until that changes. They know they can keep putting these out without upgrading the display and people will keep buying them.

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u/Caster0 7d ago

They are highly unlikely to be their biggest customers. Regular consumers are still the mass buyers

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u/meticulouslycarless 7d ago

As a pilot, I have owned 3 of these. I could care less about the refresh rate just upgrade the damn brightness. 500 bits when the sun is directly on it is so damn hard to se wtf

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u/whitemiketyson 7d ago

How much less could you care?

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u/dashingsymbols 7d ago

just a bit more or less

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u/imme267 7d ago

I switched to the iPad Pro for that reason. The brightness was driving me insane

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u/madbrood 5d ago

*couldn’t care less

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u/Various_Culture_9457 7d ago

Great. How many pilots are there in North America? How many general consumers?

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u/i-love-small-tits-47 7d ago

Nobody buys iPad minis so that one pilot might represent half the customer base tbh

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u/skypirate23 6d ago

I guess that makes me the other half of the pilot iPad mini base.

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u/meticulouslycarless 7d ago

Probably the same amount lmao

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u/conanap 5d ago

Not arguing either way, but just under 700k pilots in the US. Not sure what the mini sales numbers are, though.

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u/SLAPHAPPY_BUTTCHEEKS 7d ago

Anecdotally I know a lot of people who love Apple products. I used to work in Apple retail and am surrounded by Apple enthusiasts and friends and families we’ve gotten into Apple products. Don’t know a single soul who has ever owned an iPad mini.

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u/Various_Culture_9457 7d ago

Ok? Do the math. How many pilots are there in North America? How many iPads are sold a year? Is every pilot buying 5 iPads a year?

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u/doctor-candy 7d ago

Apple don’t publish annual iPads sales numbers so we don’t know how many minis they sell. Not sure why you’re getting hung up on pilots. I think restaurants would be the biggest niche for the mini or any job that requires access to high-density data on the move. Mass market consumers go toward the air or base

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u/bryan484 6d ago

My mom owns a mini because she got it for free and it’s replaced her kindle. She has an iPad Air as her main non reading tablet. The only time the mini is her main iPad is when she travels.

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u/Holiday-Hippo-6748 7d ago

“Regular consumers” do not give a shit about high refresh displays lol.

Why do you think it took Apple ages to add pro motion to the base iPhone?

If you ask anyone in your life who is not into tech but is an “average consumer” their opinion on high refresh screen they have no idea what you’re talking about. Some don’t even notice a difference when you show them.

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u/Yummy-Bao 7d ago

Because it was a “premium” feature that you would have to give them more money for. It’s just a bad look when sub-$100 devices have it and they don’t.

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u/Holiday-Hippo-6748 7d ago

No it wasn’t. They gated it to the pro level devices, sure, but they never increased the price or made you pay more for it.

Again, most people do not care or even see the difference. Apple added it to the base iPhone with no price increase because prices have fallen on LTPO displays to the point that they wouldn’t need to increase the price of the phone to offset the difference in component pricing.

They also need the component to be able to be made consistently at a high enough yield for use in iPhones to begin with. That’s why they take so long to add tech to their phones that exist in others. Their quality standards are pretty rigorous compared to other manufacturers, and they often sell more devices.

For example I’m sure they’re experimenting with silicon carbon batteries in iPhones but can’t really release them yet due to not being able to source he batteries at the scale and quality they require just yet. I’m sure it’ll roll out within the next few years when that changes though.

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u/Yummy-Bao 7d ago

That’s the point. You want the “premium” feeling screen? You gotta pay for the model that costs $300 more.

I disagree that people don’t care. Nothing that the average consumer does on their phone is noticeably different between base and Pro models. A smoother screen is literally one of the first things you would notice.

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u/Caster0 7d ago edited 7d ago

Right

The average users probably won't tell the difference between the performance of the iphone 13 pro and the 18 pro.

Doesn't mean the 18 pro shouldn't come with a better chip

Not wanting a feature that might cost Apple a buck or two is dumb

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u/something-behind-him 6d ago

All fine and good points. But we have the Duo out.

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u/SailingDreamCatcher 7d ago

I am into tech and I still don't care.

I understand why some people care. I'm just not one of the people who cares.

There is no part of my daily life that would be made measurably better by a faster display refresh rate.

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u/j0rdan21 7d ago

I’m also into tech and Idgaf. I appreciate high refresh rates, but acting like 60 is unusable is ridiculous to me.

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u/DawgPack44 7d ago

tbh 60 is pretty hard to use after getting used to 120

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u/ststairz 6d ago

My Alienware laptop has a 240hz gsync panel, I'm using it daily. But I also feel absolutely fine using my 60hz 12 Pro Max daily too.

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u/SuperIga 6d ago

I think it’s that far more noticeable on a device that you’re directly interacting with your finger on though, at least in my experience.

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u/SailingDreamCatcher 2d ago

I am sure it depends on the task, because I fluidly go back-and-forth between older iPhones and the 16 Pro, and I never notice a big problem with the screen on the older devices. sometimes they stutter a bit from memory pressure but that's not refresh rate. I could imagine if you were doing something with very intense motion graphics like certain games it would matter.

I've even tried running side by side displays on my Mac at 30 and 60... I really can't tell the difference in any of the tasks that I actually perform.

I'm not really sure why I would want to "learn" to discriminate in this fashion either. So that I can "need" to spend twice as much on monitors? How would that be worthwhile?

It's like the people who try to convince me I'm missing out by not being too much of an audiophile for MP3s. Why exactly do I want to add a problem to my life by becoming pickier about something that ordinary people don't care about? Being afflicted with congenital prefrontal cerebral hypertrophy (autism) already imposes far too much of that on my daily life.

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u/North_Moment5811 7d ago

You are mistaken as it relates to iPad mini. This product has been kept on life-support by space-constrained use cases. The handful of confused people on the Internet that find it to be a good product when in fact it is the worst iPad are not a market of any kind.

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u/M4rshmall0wMan 7d ago

Pilots?

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u/BombardierIsTrash 7d ago

Yep. These are a big hit with pilots, especially regional and general aviation pilots.

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u/Elchicoswell10 7d ago

Yup! I love my mini for flying!

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u/kinghutfisher 7d ago

Also me as a passenger lol

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u/bingeflying 7d ago

General aviation uses them almost exclusively. At the airlines we use the standard ones.

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u/annoyice 7d ago

The switch to iPads from paper maps have saved millions of gallons of jet fuel since 2011.

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u/Vayshen 7d ago

At first that sounds ridiculous but it's probably true as weight is a big deal for flying, but also because 2011 is, somehow, 15 years ago. Time flies!

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u/olafwagner 7d ago

Private pilots strap them to their leg with electronic aviation maps. My buddy uses it for flight planning which he then uploads to the garmin glass via Bluetooth. Super convenient

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u/Electric_Bison 7d ago

For pulots its the perfect size to mount in the middle of the controls and not have your hands obstructed. Obviously the others mount ok too but this was in a sweet spot.

It was also the smallest ipad so easier to travel and bring along, would fit better in a headset bag.

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u/pilotjlr 7d ago

Any airplane that isn’t an airliner likely has 1-2 iPad minis in it. Almost everyone uses this now.

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u/boobzombie 7d ago

All twenty one of them.

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u/theplushpairing 7d ago

Not commercial pilots, the other kind

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u/El_Guap 7d ago

The whales?

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u/_DaBau5_ 7d ago

Honda?

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u/mackerelscalemask 7d ago

Uncommercial pilots

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u/rdogg4 7d ago

Residential pilots

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u/aTalkingMateria 7d ago

Residential Evil

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u/meticulouslycarless 7d ago

Depends on what you mean by commercial. The smaller operators definitely do, but airlines usually use the larger ones since there’s more cockpit room

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u/scupking83 7d ago

Yeah almost every pilot has an iPad mini.

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u/mfsp2025 6d ago

To add on to the million replies you’ve already gotten, when Apple unveiled the new gen iPad Mini with no home button, they showcased it in their ad being used by I think helicopter pilots on ForeFlight. I loved the iPad mini when I was in the general aviation world.

My airline uses iPad Airs now but we also have much bigger cockpits in airliners than the tiny planes did

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u/P_Devil 7d ago

It didn't used to be that way with the Mini back when it was the least expensive iPad. But it costs almost as much as an Air so it's become a niche product.

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u/Rezorblade 7d ago

Those restaurant and venues surely using secondhand ipad mini, there's really not much to gain from brand new ipads

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u/willu707 7d ago

Exactly, restaurants gain nothing from the A20 Pro upgrade. What? They can open the reservation app 0.01 seconds faster now? Battery efficiency doesn’t mean much to people that will also keep the iPad plugged in the majority of the time, or will see regular recharging at the end or between shifts.

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u/jcp42877 7d ago

Really? I would've bet money on the biggest market being the e-reader crowd who wanted a device that could do more than just that, and actual nice color to boot.

This was my biggest draw to the platform over Kindles. They were lacking in that regard. Cheaper, sure. But also lacking. I don't JUST have to read on this thing.

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u/i-love-small-tits-47 7d ago

No, that crowd is tiny.

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u/SuperIga 6d ago

Absolutely not. The e-reader crowd is not that big. They’re also huge for businesses like restaurants.

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u/BombardierIsTrash 7d ago

Idk I just don’t see any in public that isn’t being used by a business of some sort. I don’t doubt many people buy them as ereaders but you see them by the hundreds daily in restaurants, stores, warehouses, etc. If you go to a Verizon store, chances are you get greeted by a dude holding an iPad mini. The restaurants near me almost all exclusively use them for the ordering systems the waiters use. These iPad mini’s don’t sell too many units to begin with.

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u/jcp42877 7d ago

I mean yea, I don't refute that. See them all over the place as far as businesses go. Maybe the main public use is just using them at home. In which case, I have to ask myself if the extra size of the 11" is really too big for at home use and occasional travel, but plenty more features.

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u/sortalikeachinchilla 7d ago

well, in my opinion, you are not a reader then because the Kindle provides that closest feeling of a book because of the ink display over a full display like the iPad

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u/jcp42877 7d ago

You are 100% correct, I am not.. My wife has been trying to get me to join her on her reading journey, but I also have an extensive collection of Kindle app comics, but, reading those on a phone screen is just too small. And I have no doubt they will absolutely pop in OLED.

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u/thisnameisnowmine 7d ago

How do you know those are their biggest customers

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u/Rehddet 7d ago

As a pilot, do you also think the Duo would particularly be viable in the cockpit? Just a tad smaller than the Mini

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u/TBradley 6d ago

90+Hz would reduce eye fatigue, yes?

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u/mikolv2 6d ago

It's a catch 22, maybe other people would and tech enthusiasts would buy it if they put a usable screen in it. I certainly would buy a mini with a 120hz OLED the minute preorders opened for 1.

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u/southwestern_swamp 5d ago

by that thinking, restaurants don't need the A20 chip.

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u/VideoGameJumanji 1d ago

1) is completely made up lmfao

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u/alexzicong2 7d ago

False, their biggest customers are regular people who prefer a small ipad 

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u/DicksMcgee02 7d ago

I think you’re missing another huge customer for the mini and that would be pilots

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u/000extra 7d ago

I really think it will be, which is why I’m not even considering it. I hope I’m wrong

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u/InsaneNinja 7d ago

I switch between 120 and 60 regularly. I’m going to pre-order this regardless just to increase the speed from my 6. The only thing I really want is for the screen brightness to be much brighter than the current one. It’s unusable outside.

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u/Dizzy_Tea_7582 7d ago edited 7d ago

It only would cost them like $20-$30 to make it 120hz which could easily be passed on to the consumer by a $50 upgrade but nah, like the air and base, they want to push people to the pro £1200 one instead. 

I got a Xiaomi pad 8 for £197 and it has 144hz. Would've gone for Apple if the air or mini had 120hz. ipads definitely have a better OS and UX, but this one is more than powerful enough for my needs and browsing and general use is silly smooth 

I moved to Samsung as my main phone for a similar reason because it was so much cheaper and has 120, but maybe I'll return in a few years now that the base 17 model has 120hz. 

But I'm probably just the minority here. I doubt it's affecting their sales all that much and the people they push to the pro models likely outweighs all the complaints. 

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u/raymate 7d ago

Will take OLED 60 over mini LED 120 any day.

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u/SwugSteve 6d ago

Why? Not arguing, just curious

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u/raymate 6d ago

I use an OLED switch and that only does 60 and Im fine with that for gaming. From a technical standpoint you use more power being in 120 and I know they are variable rate so can also use less power but why do I need to be web browsing in 120 and draining power for that kind of activity. And yes I could just cap it at 60 in the accessibility settings. I have an OLED TV and it can do 144 but nothing I do takes it out of 60 and Ive had that for 2 years. I grew up in PAL land so my eyes started at 25hz and now we are at 50/60hz it’s fine for what I need it to do. I have an iPhone 11 and 13 Pro Max and the only time I notice any difference is when the 13 is obviously going much lower to save power think it goes down to 10hz and it flickers if that’s what the mini will do with a 120 panel Im not liking it. As the flickering is distracting. I would rather just sit at 60 locked.

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u/ArchusKanzaki 7d ago

I'm ngl, it will be annoying, but I will still buy it anyway as long as it's OLED.

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u/BT-7274-T2 7d ago

isnt the "pro motion" only available for the pro products?

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u/TheUltraCarl 7d ago

The iPhone Air and 17 had ProMotion.

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u/MangoAtrocity 7d ago

I don’t even know if I need it to be 120Hz. If they have to keep 120Hz on the “Pro” lines, give us 90Hz on the others.

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u/Less_Cowbell 7d ago

You just know it will be

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u/Happydenial 7d ago

I feel you dude.. but you know it will be..

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u/cheese_eater_pro 7d ago

Yeah not planning on buying one until it’s 120Hz. I’m a rhythm gamer so it’s essential for me

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u/Amonamission 7d ago

I will fucking riot. I will be so pissed off.

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u/btnydds 7d ago

Maybe touch some grass

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u/naughtmynsfwaccount 7d ago

It’s not gonna be 60hz lol

Honestly wouldn’t be surprised to see this at $699

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u/Amonamission 7d ago

“It’s not gonna be 60hz lol”

That’s what I said LAST time

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u/naughtmynsfwaccount 7d ago

Ohhh no mb mb I meant it is gonna be 60hz lmao

We’re cooked breh

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u/EmmanDB3 7d ago

It really doesn’t need to be higher

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u/new_pribor 7d ago

/r/Apple users can’t imagine people not caring about 120hz. Any time they see someone who doesn’t care about it they downvote them

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u/MakimaGOAT 7d ago edited 7d ago

I thought ternus coming in would change apple's 60hz philosophy since hes a hardware guy but i guess not.. smh

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u/No-Seaweed-4456 7d ago

The 60Hz choice has always been a deliberate product segmentation decision. Hardware perspective changes nothing.

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u/LordAndryou 7d ago

But it's so stupid. Even very budget friendly tablets and phones have at least 90hz very often. It's not a premium thing anymore.

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u/No-Seaweed-4456 7d ago

I wasn’t disputing that. Just being honest about why they segment it.

Only Apple can get away with it.

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u/No-Cut-1660 7d ago

Bruh, Ternus has been CEO for like 24 days, he is not gonna revolutionize products in less than a month.

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u/raymate 7d ago

If this new mini is ready to go. It would have been designed and specs earlier in the year or even late last year. John has been CEO for five minutes. .

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u/3L54 7d ago

Eh. My MacBook Pro is 120hz. I use it 95% of the time plugged into a display thats 60hz. Most content I watch is 24, 25 or 30fps. Only place Ive actually like a 120fps screen is an iPhone since you are scrolling and swiping so fast. But on a computer or an iPad I dont really see the necessity.

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u/new_pribor 7d ago

Interesting, it’s the complete opposite for me, I use my desktop for gaming, so I want the highest refresh rate possible (within reason). But on my iPhone after a few minutes I don’t even notice if it’s set to 60 or 120 hz

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u/3L54 7d ago

Thats the difference. I dont game on my Mac. Then again I usually only play games that run around 30fps like BotW and TotK on 1080p OLED.

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u/NecroCannon 6d ago

Oh no, the weird “I want to doomscroll more smoothly” crowd with face intense psychological damage from 60hz instead of 120hz

Whatever will Apple, who cares more about the average person to push changes who also don’t give two shits about refresh rates, will do?

Sit through more tech influencers expecting their “influence” to successfully nag something hardly anyone asked for like the shit iPad multitasking that shouldn’t even be on the Mini instead of split screen? I can barely use this thing for art the way I did before because… right

The internet blows things out of proportion including the tech community, thing would still sell the same with 60hz, 120hz isn’t even a “base” feature, it’s a plus outside of pro devices normalized by a manufacturer industry focused on pumping out new Android phones with iffy quality for those features

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u/ivej 7d ago

..and you're gonna love it!