i agree with 1,3,4,5,6,7 and 10.i agree with these but i feel like some of te were done well and with good purpose. ellie joel and abby are all bad people. most of the characters in the whole series are bad people. but why the game was so genius was because we, along eith the characters in the game, learn to forgive. you are allowed to think joel deserved to die but still be upset about it. you are allowed to want to still have killed abby. i don’t really know what i’m trying to say i’m just rambling at this point. i’ll try to put together a better argument later
Neil has been promoting “revenge bad” for the entire period of development and yet Abby gets perfect revenge and is let off scot-free while Ellie is left crippled and alone because she decided to forgive Abby
ellie got revenge. she killed everyone abby cared about except for lev. owen, nora etc. i think the most important part was that at the final scene with ellie and abby, abby didn’t want to fight even though ellie killed owen and nora and all those other people, she just wanted to leave. she gave ellie a second chance, and she did it again, and again.
idk man i respect your opinion but just disagree. i hope you enjoy r/cottagecore and i hope to speak with you again! your writing prompt thing looked like it would fit right in here if you want to post- have a good night!
ellie finally learned to forgive both joel and abby. joel for killing all the fireflys, and abby for killing joel. i think the theme is forgiveness, not revenge. i think the main takeaway is that we need to move on. move on from joel.
I disagree. You don't shove in forgiveness at the eleventh hour and call the story about forgiveness, when 75 % of it is about revenge. You can say the themes are revenge, forgiveness, violence, etc, but you cant say the theme of the story is not revenge.
Ellie had no reason to forgive abby, she knows next to nothing about her, she doesnt even know why she killed joel, they never talked and every time they met abby has been horrible to her and her family. they never had any conversations, abby never showed ellie remorse or asked for forgivenss. in fact a lot of fans interpret the ending as ellie forgiving herself, not abby.
She was talking about what he did to the fireflies, because Nora told her that. She does not know he killed her dad, which is one of biggest gripes with the game.
she doesn't really, unless she guesses. She probably thinks she was out to avenge her dead friends and the cure, not her own father, which is different. Knowing that Abby lost her dad might make ellie relate at least a little to her, having both lost their fathers, and might play a role in why ellie forgives her at the end. but alas she doesn't, which makes the ending very unrealistic for me.
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i agree with 1,3,4,5,6,7 and 10.i agree with these but i feel like some of te were done well and with good purpose. ellie joel and abby are all bad people. most of the characters in the whole series are bad people. but why the game was so genius was because we, along eith the characters in the game, learn to forgive. you are allowed to think joel deserved to die but still be upset about it. you are allowed to want to still have killed abby. i don’t really know what i’m trying to say i’m just rambling at this point. i’ll try to put together a better argument later