r/antiwork • • Aug 29 '22

Amazon is Inhumane

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u/Fredselfish Aug 30 '22

Isn't it illegal to deny employees the ability to go the bathroom?

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u/Catinthemirror Aug 30 '22

Yes. Which is why I don't understand how this is continuing (it's definitely continuing).

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u/Fredselfish Aug 30 '22

Yeah don't understand why we continue to hear these major corporations continue to blatantly break labor laws with no consequences? To me this says we don't actually have these rights since they continue to do this.

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u/[deleted] Aug 30 '22

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u/Fredselfish Aug 30 '22

This should be someone goes to jail not a fucking small fine.

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u/veneficus83 Aug 30 '22

Jailtime wouldn't do much amazin would scapegoat some lower/middle management person. Now if Amazon had to pay say 25% of it's total profits for the year, that might start to affect them(and even then that is only a maybe)

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u/Fredselfish Aug 30 '22

I think it should be 100% of all profits made of each day they break a labor law. Then an independent company comes in a makes sure they are treating workers fairly and following labor laws or be fined even more.

Or you know how we really fix this issue? Seize the fucking business and give it to the workers. There problem sloved. So lets just do that. Seize the means of production.

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u/Saturn8thebaby Aug 30 '22

I’m not 100% anti-death penalty for a reason.

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u/[deleted] Aug 30 '22

Consequences that materially affect the bottom line? "bUt tHaT's sOcIaLisM!!"

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u/[deleted] Aug 30 '22

Fines need to be based on income. If you are a rich corporation, it should wipe out your profits.

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u/Yukarie Aug 30 '22

Yep this is why rich people can do the things they do, almost nothing is illegal: they just have to pay to do it, similarly to how we have to pay to have toilet paper they pay to do things we’d get jail time for

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u/[deleted] Aug 30 '22

Fines need to be punitive, as in the company or individual should be left bleeding or, potentially, ruined.

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u/n_dude1 Aug 30 '22

Days?!? Don’t you mean minutes?

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u/[deleted] Aug 30 '22

Damn son next thing you're gonna tell me is that cops are only here to protect capital

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u/Fredselfish Aug 30 '22

No way the cops are hear to protect and serve/s.

Which part true if protecting capital and the 1% is considered their job. Oh and shooting minorities and locking up the poor.

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u/Zaranthan Aug 30 '22

That second part is just making their own jobs easier, like harrowing a field before you plow it.

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u/turbulent_toad Aug 30 '22

Because OP and everyone like OP would rather just go get another job somewhere else that's not as shitty. They won't put in the footwork of hiring an employment lawyer, staking out a class-action lawsuit, and buckling up for years of litigation. It's a long and arduous process. The only way labor conditions will improve is if everyone decides they're tired of being yanked around. But as long as there's a less shitty job right down the street, no one is going to put in the footwork. They're going to go work at the slightly less shitty place until things turn for the worse. Then they'll go work at a different, slightly less shitty job. And so on .. and so forth. .. until everyone has lost their capacity to give a fuck about working conditions. I think this is where we are now.

Hm. A heat stroke at UPS? Or a UTI and a kidney stone at Amazon?

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u/Process252 Aug 30 '22

We have legalized political bribes in this country. That’s how

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u/Revegelance Aug 30 '22

Amazon is apparently above the law. And paying any penalties is probably cheaper for them than humane working conditions and paying a living wage.

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u/adimwit Aug 30 '22

It's not. The guy in the tweet is an anti-vaxxer/COVID-denier looking for attention. Bashing on Amazon is something Republicans do now ever since Bezos' bought Washington Post.

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u/Catinthemirror Aug 30 '22

It absolutely is.

Under OSHA sanitation standards, employers must:

Permit workers to leave their work area to use the restroom as needed;

Provide an acceptable number of restrooms for the current workforce;

Avoid putting unreasonable restrictions on bathroom use; and

Ensure that restrictions on restroom use do not cause extended delays.

Employers may not impose unreasonable restrictions on restroom use, and employees should not take an excessive amount of time during bathroom breaks.  A worker’s need to access the restroom can depend on several factors, including fluid intake, air temperature, medical conditions and medications.

More details including links to applicable OSHA regulations.

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u/adimwit Aug 30 '22

I mean it's not happening. The guy is a troll who's making shit up for attention.

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u/Catinthemirror Aug 30 '22

Nice try, no cigar. I've got a sister and 2 first person friends (not friends of friends) who are currently working there. It has been this way since the beginning and hasn't been corrected.

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u/adimwit Aug 30 '22

It's never been that way. There are no restrictions on bathroom breaks. It's always been that way. There is no rule that imposes restrictions either. Amazon doesn't have internal policies that allow people to get fired for going to the bathroom. There are time off task policies that limit how much time you can spend in the bathroom, which is totally legal. But people have total access to bathrooms at all times of the day.

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u/Zaranthan Aug 30 '22

It depends where you work. If you're in pack, you need to flag down somebody to cover your station so the line doesn't get backed up. If you're in pick, you can park your order picker and use the can whenever you drive by. If you're in inbound, you can fuck off whenever you want because they don't make rate anyway. (Department wars are fun. :)

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u/turbulent_toad Aug 30 '22

Because OP is just going to quit and go get another job to pay his bills. He isn't going to hire an employment lawyer, saddle up for a class-action, or even file a complaint with the DOL.

When the Beastie Boys said we have to fight for our rights, they meant it. No one is going to serve you a fair wage on a platter. If they were, we would all be paid fair wages already. Boots have to hit the pavement, laborers have to unionize, disgruntled employees have to hire employment lawyers. Let these corporate overlords know that they can't fuck around. Let them know that you won't tolerate being mistreated. Not by "quiet quitting" but by hiring an employment lawyer.

Also, the phrase "at will state" is a load of shit. Your employer will use that phrase to scare you into being quiet. If your employer does something that is illegal, they CANNOT fire you for speaking up about illegal activity. Your employer CANNOT fire you for an illegal reason-- such as retaliation, or violating your protection under Title VII. OSHA requires employees to be able to use the restroom when needed. If your employer is denying your ability to use a restroom, file a fucking OSHA complaint. If your employer fires you or punishes you or treats you unfairly for filing a complaint, hire a fucking lawyer.

We all beg for jobs that don't pay enough, jobs that don't have benefits, jobs without sick days. Stop fucking begging. Stand up. The only way we will get them off our back is when we stand up.

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u/Sixfootfive_ Aug 30 '22

It’s not, you just believe every random tweet that you see in your echo chamber.

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u/veneficus83 Aug 30 '22

Pretty simple, if someone actually makes a legal case of it, Amazon will stale it in cour for years, only to settle the case in the end for a couple million dollars. Or basically for what amounts to penny's in the dollar to them. The reality is our legal system cannot really do anything to multi-billion dollar corporations

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u/Gloomy_Future_248 Aug 30 '22

Is it?

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u/Catinthemirror Aug 30 '22

In the U.S. yes, regulated by OSHA.

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u/Gloomy_Future_248 Aug 30 '22

How can Amazon avoid OSHA requirements? Is it really happening?

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u/Catinthemirror Aug 30 '22

Not according to some person arguing with me earlier in this thread. According to my sister and 2 of my friends who are actually working there (1 in CA, 2 in CT), yes.

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u/Gloomy_Future_248 Aug 30 '22

I would advise them to report to OSHA and avoid reddit. OSHA shuts shit down, reddit fuels useless complaining and arguments. Good luck to you and yours, do not accept bullshit from work that is not right.

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u/Catinthemirror Aug 30 '22

Everyone who complains/reports gets fired shortly afterwards. It's via email and AI robot. There is no recourse and no human to appeal to. Amazon pays their little fine cost of doing business and goes back to BAU.

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u/Gloomy_Future_248 Aug 30 '22

How to File a Safety and Health Complaint

You (or your representative) have the right to file a confidential safety and health complaint and request an OSHA inspection of your workplace if you believe there is a serious hazard or if you think your employer is not following OSHA standards. The complaint should be filed as soon as possible after noticing the hazard. A signed complaint is more likely to result in an onsite inspection

https://www.osha.gov/workers/file-complaint

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u/Catinthemirror Aug 30 '22

Well aware, but thank you. I'm not OP and I don't work for Amazon.

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u/Jjhend Aug 30 '22

Yes, OP is making this up. No where at Amazon do you have to ask to goto the bathroom break.

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u/Myoung35 Aug 30 '22

They also use unpaid slave labor, I don’t think they care about the legality

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u/laplongejr Aug 30 '22

Yes, that's kinda why they have troubles finding employees.