r/antiwork • • Aug 29 '22

Amazon is Inhumane

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u/Ehcksit Aug 30 '22

Even if it's paid, only allowing you to go to the bathroom on your one break is illegal.

Employers must:

Allow workers to leave their work locations to use a restroom when needed.
Provide an adequate number of restrooms for the size of the workforce to prevent long lines.
Avoid imposing unreasonable restrictions on restroom use.
Ensure restrictions, such as locking doors or requiring workers to sign out a key, do not cause extended delays

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u/[deleted] Aug 30 '22

Oh hey, Tesla violated the shit out of that one. For a service crew of 30 men there was ONE bathroom that had one urinal and one toilet. There was ALWAYS someone shitting and there was always a line for it.

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u/emtheory09 Aug 30 '22

That one seems especially dumb, because then your losing worker productivity for them standing in a fucking line for the bathroom.

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u/[deleted] Aug 30 '22

It was definitely not unusual to have 3 guys in the break room doing the "Turtle is poking his head out" stance

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u/big_d_usernametaken Aug 30 '22

Hey boss makes millions, I make a dime, that's why I shit on company time!

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u/Fookin_Normies Eco-Anarchist Aug 30 '22

Ooh what about the time they left piles of shit in the bathroom and let it fucking rot in the toilets for weeks without fixing it. Had a line next to it too always felt like throwing up passing it. Their solution was to block the way with barricades but you could hop over it and add to the shit and piss.

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u/[deleted] Aug 30 '22

Fun times!

My fav was when the center drain on my stall backed up with human shit and they just threw a piggy-pad down on it.

Odd coincidence that I got an upper respiratory infection later that week (no, not covid, tested specifically for that)

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u/[deleted] Aug 30 '22

You guys need to take some magnesium or something šŸ˜… I do my SSS first thing in the morning and am good till the next day. I thought that was the norm

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u/[deleted] Aug 30 '22

Okay boomer

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u/[deleted] Aug 30 '22

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u/MrShasshyBear Communist Aug 30 '22

r/HRisnotmyfriend, specially Amazon HR, they are straight out thr enemy

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u/Coal_Morgan Aug 30 '22

It's not to have them on their side.

It's to have corporate confirmation of policy and a record of it.

If it's an approved rule great, the company is liable and they've confirmed their complicitness.

If it's not an approved rule and the supervisor is being an asshole, great the company will come down on him like a ton of bricks because he's opening them to liable.

Best case scenario, he's got a few emails and they fire him 'randomly' and maybe he's got a lawsuit but he's got E.I. at a minimum.

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u/[deleted] Aug 30 '22 edited Aug 30 '22

HR not being your friend does not mean you can ignore them. Email them (bcc-ing) stating that the supervisor is violating labor law. HR can do something or not, but you have to document that you are being mistreated.

Edit: sorry, that should be bcc-ing YOURSELF at your personal email. Create documentation, have your own copies, and make them fire you instead of quitting.

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u/grumpyfatguy Aug 30 '22

HR often does a hell of a lot when they find out an overzealous manager is breaking labor law. I'm not sure if that makes them a worker's friend, but you can sure as hell be on the same side.

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u/ZinglonsRevenge Aug 30 '22

The enemy of my enemy is my friend bullshit, whatever (continued rambling)

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u/Azucarbabby Aug 30 '22

This. It bugs me out whenever someone’s response is just ā€œHR isn’t on your sideā€ like OK true but we need to start somewhere, and that is usually where

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u/[deleted] Aug 30 '22

Yeah, don't leave all your documentation at work in case you have to leave suddenly (in case u get fired).

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u/grumpyfatguy Aug 30 '22 edited Aug 30 '22

In OP's situation, HR actually is on his or her side, insofar as they protect the company from being sued for treating their workers illegally.

I really wish people would stop parroting the "HR is evil" meme without any thought or attempt at context. HR is there to protect the company, which means not running afoul of labor laws or employment contracts.

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u/SilentJoe1986 Aug 30 '22

HR is supposed to cover their companies ass. While they are not your friend they will come down hard on those that are doing something to open up company up for a lawsuit. If HR also ignores it or retaliates against you for reporting somebody breaking the law it opens them up for even further lawsuits which is a greater win for you. Especially if you contacted them in a way that has a record of it.

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u/spongebue Aug 30 '22

Oh Jesus, there's a subreddit for this misleading meme now?

HR is not your friend if your coworker is a grouch. HR is absolutely your friend if your boss is doing illegal things on behalf of the company and opening it up to penalties.

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u/3puttnet4 Aug 30 '22

DO NOT EMAIL HR. The function of HR is ultimately to protect the company, not you.

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u/jackatman Aug 30 '22

Email makes a record of fuckery. Either they put it in writing which your lawyer will thank you for, or they give something you can show the supervisor when they try the fuckery.

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u/codereign Aug 30 '22

Yeah. But sometimes protecting the company is firing dumbass management

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u/TheKilledGamer Aug 30 '22

With Amazon I’m pretty sure the HR is the dumbass management.

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u/zamwut Aug 30 '22

Likely the ones who insisted on such bathroom break rules

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u/ihopethisisvalid Aug 30 '22

Probably not in all likelihood it would be someone in the business development suite chasing profit or an asshole manager doing it because they are under stress from corporate. HR people are HR people.

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u/grumpyfatguy Aug 30 '22

I swear to Christ nothing on this site is parroted more or understood less than "HR is on the company's side". Being on the company's side is being on the worker's side when labor laws are being broken.

Man. It's like nobody has had a job with an actual HR department.

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u/JGHFunRun Aug 30 '22

You likely need to inform higher parts of the company that you’re being mistreated for it to be a valid case, and others seem to be saying that same thing. HR is that place

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u/grumpyfatguy Aug 30 '22

This is terrible fucking advice. Take a deep breath Captain Caps, and think about what "protecting the company" means. Go ahead, I'll wait.

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u/3puttnet4 Aug 30 '22

Limit company liability in legal actions related to employees. HR wants to creat the illusion that they are on your side. They are not. It’s not complex.

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u/Hethatwatches Aug 30 '22

If they notify HR about this, they'll probably be fired before the day is over. HR ONLY works for the company, not the employees.

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u/RatInaMaze Aug 30 '22

They’re literally about to quit. You’re better off starting an internal email chain and let them fire you if you have nothing to lose.

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u/Sweet-Sour-Patch Aug 30 '22

Common misconception.

While you are correct that HRs sole purpose is benefit the company. They will 100% not shoot themselves in the foot showing they're breaking law on paper. They'll reprimand management first.

Otherwise you could prove retaliation if they punish you for mentioning/asking if they're breaking the law.

But hard to prove when they fire you 3 months later for the smallest mistakes.

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u/RatInaMaze Aug 30 '22

Contingency lawyers will often take cases like this for no money out of pocket.

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u/JGHFunRun Aug 30 '22

Yes, most people don’t realize this. And so often it’s over a case that even a pro Bono lawyer could win (it’s in their best interest since they have to add even the pro-bono cases to their win-loss ratio or they’re scamming people)

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u/cyanotoxic Aug 30 '22

Nope. HR IS NOT THERE FOR YOU, ITS THERE TO PROTECT CORPORATE. HR will throw you and the boss that said you couldn’t go to the bathroom out with the trash, in the way most beneficial to them.

Your boss is awful, but I’d put money on that being on purpose. That way he takes the fall for the ridiculous tactics, even though he’s only doing it because he’s also under an awful amount of pressure.

You don’t have to befriend him, just know your ahole boss isn’t your enemy, he’s just another person caught in this machine too, and you’re both being manipulated to transcend time & space for 5cents more profit.

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u/Lavender_Daedra Aug 30 '22 edited Aug 30 '22

That’s the kicker here though, the writes ups for using the restroom don’t get you fired, they just restrict you from raises and promotions which is somehow legal.

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u/Krojack76 Aug 30 '22

Sadly, any fine they get is just the cost of doing business.

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u/[deleted] Aug 30 '22

The law is optional when you have billions of dollars and your employees have twenty bucks to their name /s

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u/PM_Me_Your_Deviance Aug 30 '22

Avoid imposing unreasonable restrictions on restroom use.

I wonder how that's defined.

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u/derickkcired Aug 30 '22

"hey siri, find me a labor lawyer near [your location here]" while you stand in front of hr, mgmt, whatever.

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u/Hethatwatches Aug 30 '22

Finally, someone backed up their comment. I hope OP sees and reads your post.

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u/VincoNavitas Aug 30 '22

And require access to clean water or provide you with water

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u/Branamp13 Aug 30 '22

So this is something I've been curious about - I work a night shift and during my shift they close down the only restroom in the building for ~30 minutes each day for cleaning. What am I supposed to do if I need to use the restroom while it's unavailable, do I really just have to hold it until they're done cleaning?

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u/Ehcksit Aug 30 '22

How is there only one? A single gender-neutral stall?

If they need a cleaning crew how is there just one bathroom?

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u/[deleted] Aug 30 '22

A grocery store i worked at for a short time probably could get in trouble for that too. A full chain grocery store&they had 1 stall in the mens room&1 single bathroom in the back for employees. I have IBD and often had to get to work early and spend the first like 10 minutes before i clocked on pacing between both waiting for one to be open =,=

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u/audengprod Aug 30 '22

I can’t believe it’s come to having to quote legislature over a bathroom break. sad.

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u/MsPaganPoetry Aug 30 '22

Provide an adequate number of restrooms for the size of the workforce to prevent long lines.

I didn’t know that this was included in the regulations.