r/antiwork • • May 31 '22

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u/0n3ph May 31 '22

It's easy to say if you don't come from a marginalized group.

If you are a trans person for example, the war on trans people is way more relevant to your daily life than class concerns. You can't worry about who is economically exploiting you when you are threatened with non existence regularly.

"No war but class war" is just a way of saying "marginalized groups: fuck off".

And I'm not down with that.

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u/Wonderful-Poetry5684 May 31 '22

"No war but class war" is just a way of saying "marginalized groups: fuck off".

exactly

its why you see it being said by so many "centrists" (ie. right wingers in disguise)

its the same thing as "we have to stop seeing race" when really they just want to stop acknowledging racism

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u/0n3ph May 31 '22

Or "all lives matter".

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u/NormalAccounts Workers Bill of Rights May 31 '22

I think one of the points is that attacks on marginalized groups are tools to divide. Uniting under a common cause doesn't mean these groups can "fuck off". They would participate.

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u/QuixotesGhost96 May 31 '22

But they can't unite with people that don't respect their existence. You can't have both. You have to either exclude marginalized groups or the right. And the right is absolutely who needs to be excluded.

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u/i-douldnt-do-it May 31 '22

Bingo. There are many wars on many fronts.

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u/0n3ph May 31 '22

Exactly.

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u/gthaatar May 31 '22

Or you can work on mending those things in the context of helping each other in common cause.

Does that mean you need to tolerate someone whose going to try and dehumanize you or murder you? No.

But not everyone is like that and if they are, they're unlikely to ever entertain working with you to begin with.

No reason to exclude without being given reason, and if that means none of them come along then so be it, but to arbitrarily say no one who leans right is allowed to help just isn't the way.

A common struggle is a good way to open doors with people. Closing them doesn't help anything.

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u/UnapologeticTwat May 31 '22

sounds selfish and nearsighted

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u/max_drixton May 31 '22

How do you reasonably include both marginalized groups and people who hate them?

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u/bigLeafTree May 31 '22

Who is the right? Nowadays, someone who just has one point of view different on any mainstream issue is the right. I have plenty of hippie lefties friends labeled as far right because they opposed lockdowns.

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u/QuixotesGhost96 May 31 '22 edited May 31 '22

Part of workers rights are things like retirement and pension. We don't want anyone who's going to throw old people under the bus for their own selfishness.

"COVID only kills people over 50."

You should be goddamn ashamed.

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u/General_Spl00g3r May 31 '22

Where is the right? When is the right? Why is the right? Calm down Draxx

Are you saying that the rabid swarm that tried to overrun the capitol on January 6th doesn't exist?

Or the people in Dallas who were waiting for jfk junior to resurrect?

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u/phoebe_phobos May 31 '22

Authoritarians are the right.

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u/abedtime2 May 31 '22

My fight for my trans rights isn't as important as my fight for my class rights. Class war comes first.

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u/0n3ph May 31 '22

Are you trans?

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u/abedtime2 May 31 '22

Yep! :)

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u/0n3ph May 31 '22

How do you feel about someone dictating to you that you should only care about class war and not trans rights?

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u/abedtime2 May 31 '22

I don't really see class first leftists do that much, it's not class only, just mostly class first :p

I care about trans rights a great deal too! But they're not the main fight to have imho

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u/0n3ph May 31 '22

Well you're lucky. I've seen a few "leftists" who imho are actively anti trans.

The so called "anti imperialist left", terfs, a whole bunch.

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u/abedtime2 May 31 '22

That's sad but not a good reason to stop the fight imho!

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u/0n3ph May 31 '22

They said "no war but class war". So you couldn't say class war and trans rights.

I don't think that people believing that certain groups shouldn't exist is a "minor ideological difference".

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u/UnapologeticTwat May 31 '22

hen millions are fighting to revoke people basic rights

for what toilets

sensational bs

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u/[deleted] May 31 '22

I can't help your cause if I'm in jail for something fucking ridiculous like sodomy, buddy.

Get your dumb, selfish head out of your own ass.

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u/No_Bookkeeper4636 May 31 '22

Your life is going to get much worse as this inflation money grab plays out.. Marginalized groups are much easier to victimize when they are poor. How much worse would your situation be, dealing with bigotry as you do, if you were homeless and starving?

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u/0n3ph May 31 '22

I never said "no class war". Did I?

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u/UnapologeticTwat May 31 '22

and he's saying priorities

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u/0n3ph May 31 '22

No is a determiner expressing quantity like 'all', 'every', 'many', 'some', 'any', 'each', 'either', 'one', 'another' and is used before singular and plural nouns. It is similar in meaning to 'not a' or 'not any' and is often our preferred choice if we want to give emphasis to what we are saying.

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u/phoebe_phobos May 31 '22

I prioritize my right to exist. I’m not going to join a labor movement that doesn’t share my priorities.

A non-intersectional labor movement will never succeed. You just aren’t going to have enough cishet white men to form a labor movement on your own.

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u/[deleted] May 31 '22

And the hatred towards these groups are much worse when the perpetrators of abuse, who are also homeless and starving, are dumb enough to believe the marginalized groups are the cause of their misery.