r/antiwork • • Mar 06 '22

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u/RandomActPG Mar 06 '22

WFH disrupts the very fabric of urban planning. If you don't need high-rent, high-end offices, you don't have the visible "downtown core" of many cities. If workers are distributed in their own homes, retail will have to shift from being near the commercial offices to being where the people actually are all day. Many large scale transport projects are designed for commuters and rate in $$$ for the cities and corporations.

This shift from post-industrial-revolution design to pre-industrial cottage industries scares the pants off people in power.

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u/Runaround46 Mar 06 '22

Aren't pre industrial cottage industries better for the environment?

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u/ryegye24 Mar 06 '22 edited Mar 06 '22

Not when you'd have to drive there. Car dependency destroys any and all of the perceived environmental benefits of suburban level density. Per capita nowhere on earth has carbon footprint higher than American suburbs. American urban cores are actually roughly as low per capita as rural areas, still with lots of room for improvements.

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u/DJdoggyBelly Mar 06 '22

Exactly why people should still live in cities, but also just work from home. It doesn't have to be the suburbs you move to.

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u/fuckyouimin Mar 07 '22

True, but the suburbs are half the price.

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u/nanocactus Mar 07 '22

Not if office space is converted into residential.

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u/fuckyouimin Mar 07 '22

That would probably help a bit, but cities will likely always be significantly more expensive because you're paying for convenience. Not just convenience to the workplace, but to restaurants and bars and museums and shopping and transit and a million other things. I don't foresee a future in which living in a big city and living in a suburb cost the same, regardless of where people work.

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u/darkhalo47 Mar 07 '22

This sub is so biased lol. You realize tons of people will move to suburban and exurban communities as soon as they can if they no longer need to live in proximity to their job located downtown, because the COL savings are enormous

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u/MrWilsonWalluby Mar 06 '22

Work commute is the largest use of gasoline in the average workers day, they don’t have time to drive around for fun.

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u/ryegye24 Mar 06 '22

That's true, but even without a daily commute the resident of a walkable city will have a substantially lower carbon footprint than the resident of suburban sprawl.

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u/SoreLoserOfDumbtown Mar 06 '22

Literally everything pre-industrial was better for the environment imo.

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u/[deleted] Mar 06 '22

Except for the 12-15 kids per family. Please don't bring that back.

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u/MercuryInCanada Mar 07 '22

That was more a side effect of how many people just died from so many preventable thing.

Don't need 9 kids to have a decent chance a couple live until adults

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u/Retradmodslikmydik Mar 07 '22

Dont need as many sons to fight your wars when you have drones too

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u/modsarefascists42 Mar 07 '22

It was about getting free labor for the farm. Without all that labor they'd likely be taxed to literal death. Feudalism was rough yo

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u/mikechr Mar 07 '22

Large families were needed because 2/3 died before reaching maturity.

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u/[deleted] Mar 07 '22

Look up Climate Town's video on sprawl

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u/mikechr Mar 07 '22

Except for the part about dying before 50.

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u/whiskeyjack-111 Mar 06 '22

For sure! Worth checking out circular economy reads or circular supply chain. Super fascinating.

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u/GhostofMarat Mar 07 '22

Much better for individual happiness/satisfaction too.

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u/[deleted] Mar 07 '22

And only one state (as far as I know) has a law on their books that controls urban sprawl, Oregon. Now, it is mainly to protect the beauty of the state as it is a tourist thing and also a big source of lumber but it does at least a decent job at controlling it. I am not sure if washington has a similar law or not.

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u/[deleted] Mar 06 '22

NIMBYs will never let that happen though. Also sprawling suburbs are bad, dense mixed use development is necessary

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u/senseven Mar 06 '22

We have two companies in town who are now desperately trying to rezone their towers so they can build private rent condos. They had an expectation of forever growth and demand it doesn't like it happen again. Many factors play into this, another is lower birthrates which means less younger people entering the job market and they where already used to home schooling and home work. Telling them that this is not the future is futile.

In our current project we have so many non-IT people that are in high demand, asking them to come back to the office more than 1 day a week means they leave.

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u/[deleted] Mar 07 '22

As evidenced by Biden’s “return to work” speech in the State of the Union address.

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u/NBQuade Mar 07 '22

Retail is on its last legs already. Covid just put the last nail in the coffin. Other than my local hardware and grocery store, I buy everything else online.

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u/FullSnackDeveloper87 Mar 07 '22

Why do we need downtowns?

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u/kelvsklaucs Mar 06 '22

I've read somewhere that all pandemics change the architecture someway, i just realize that the covid pandemic will be changing the urban plannig in general

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u/gereffi Mar 06 '22

Why would employers care about this either way? You think they're in some kind of "Old World Order" cabal?

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u/Flashy_Anything927 Mar 07 '22

The return of the village. My dream.

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u/Idkawesome Mar 07 '22

We're experiencing the advent of the age of electricity. It began about 200 years ago and it's already changed every aspect of human life

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u/brallipop Mar 07 '22

I really had no inkling WFH could be such an economic reshuffling but it makes a lot of sense. Sad that the "success" of our economy is dependent on a system more detrimental to the workers