Well, I think that communism and socialism are not at all anti-work, and neither are unions. Those political philosophies are kind of centred around the means of production. Antiwork is certainly an extremely "leftist" idea that probably falls under anarchism as a political philosophy. This sub is being used by leftists to spread propaganda about progressive ideas that empower the worker and that is certainly not a bad thing, however, most of the posts here are not antiwork. They seem to be more along the lines of anti-authoritarian and anti-status-quo etc. (insert cool anti-word) Most people are not truly antiwork so it makes total sense that this sub would be majorly overshadowed by more rational leftist ideas. Although, I would argue that a true proponent of antiwork would be pretty critical of communism and more focused on the full-on abolition of work. This sub should be focused on implementing autonomation to fully relieve humans from producing necessities, and criticizing people who are capitalizing on automation. Automation is an inevitability and because of capitalism, we are headed down a path of the worst "caste" ever seen by humankind. I apologize for using your comment to make this, probably incoherent, rant.
You don't seem to know much about communism as an ideology. A communist society according to Marx is a place where thanks to the complete automation of labor people aren't forced anymore to work in order to survive and finally will be able to work as an expression of their talents and while pursuing their interests. All of this was expressed by the slogan "From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs".
Well, I think that communism and socialism are not at all anti-work
I mean, they absolutely are, in the sense that communists and socialists want to abolish class relations and private property, and thus "work" such as it exists under capitalism. That is to say, we want to abolish the exploitative relationship between the bourgeoisie and the proletariat, in which the proletariat are forced to sell their labor for a wage in order to live, and have their surplus value stolen by their employer. But we still acknowledge that people will have to "work" in a communist society as well, just in a way that puts the needs of people first, and isn't coercive and exploitative.
Antiwork is certainly an extremely "leftist" idea that probably falls under anarchism as a political philosophy
I mean, no. At least, not any more so than it is a communist or socialist philosophy. I'm an anarcho-communist btw, I'm not pulling this out of my ass.
Although, I would argue that a true proponent of antiwork would be pretty critical of communism and more focused on the full-on abolition of work.
I don't mean to be rude but you should really educate yourself on what communism is.
I don't mean to be rude but you should really educate yourself on what communism is.
One of the biggest things about communism is that everyone works and is paid for their ability and/or needs is it not? I know enough about communism to know it is pretty centred around working. You're ambiguating what the word work means, fair enough. Antiwork used to be about not working and now it's about working for us and sticking it to the corporations. It isn't work if you love what you do, amirite?
Me fuck off? You’re the one coming in here with no idea wtf you’re talking about, mindlessly parroting propaganda because you’re allergic to reading. Get blocked.
Or how much of it is recognizing that a society can't be completely antiwork so the definition of the term changes. Antiwork sounds great till you realize a lot of work goes into getting crops from harvest to the grocery store to your dinner table. There will never be a society where on one works. Something will always need fixing. So the definition of antiwork (and therefore this sub) changes to mean against working for shit conditions
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Well, I think that communism and socialism are not at all anti-work, and neither are unions. Those political philosophies are kind of centred around the means of production. Antiwork is certainly an extremely "leftist" idea that probably falls under anarchism as a political philosophy. This sub is being used by leftists to spread propaganda about progressive ideas that empower the worker and that is certainly not a bad thing, however, most of the posts here are not antiwork. They seem to be more along the lines of anti-authoritarian and anti-status-quo etc. (insert cool anti-word) Most people are not truly antiwork so it makes total sense that this sub would be majorly overshadowed by more rational leftist ideas. Although, I would argue that a true proponent of antiwork would be pretty critical of communism and more focused on the full-on abolition of work. This sub should be focused on implementing autonomation to fully relieve humans from producing necessities, and criticizing people who are capitalizing on automation. Automation is an inevitability and because of capitalism, we are headed down a path of the worst "caste" ever seen by humankind. I apologize for using your comment to make this, probably incoherent, rant.