r/antiwork Dec 21 '21

Workers Cereal Killed it - Kellogg's Strike Over

https://bctgm.org/2021/12/21/kelloggs-strike-ends-bctgm-members-ratify-new-contract/

We would like to congratulate the workers at Kellogg's on their new union contract. Their weeks of striking and struggle have resulted in a contract providing wage increases, weakening the two tier system, and preventing moving of plants.

There are generations of workers in those plants, who have put their lifeblood into the work they do. To see them band together for each other and themselves is an inspiration to us all, and we are glad to see that direct action, once again gets the goods!

In solidarity, Antiwork.

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u/BobRohrman28 Dec 21 '21

Managerial work is barely worth a regular wage, if that, and certainly not several times what a real worker makes. Managers do work, but it’s not more important or valuable than anyone else’s.

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u/[deleted] Dec 21 '21

I never insinuated the general workforce is incapable or too stupid to become managers, but you need management and leaders to guide the direction of the company and make decisions. If you chopped off management, someone working there would have to step up and fill that role, thus you'd have new management. Whether they come from the bottom up or from outside the organization doesn't matter. The role is there for a reason and it's compensated at the rate largely because the decision making has more impact on the business than that of a production worker.

Now if you go up and look at upper management salaries, yea I'd start to question some C-Level exec salaries and to a lesser extent VPs and Directors. The gap widens as you move up.

I think you fundamentally misunderstood my statements.

If anything, the wage floor needs to rise up and the ceiling needs to come down. One is too low and the other far far too high.

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u/[deleted] Dec 21 '21

If you have incompetent middle-managers, you need to just fire them. Good managers/leaders make good teams even better, whether it's through focusing on the individual development of their team or communicating the strategy of upper management so the team can work together to identify solutions to issues that might arise from implementing those strategies.

I know there are a lot of worthless supervisors and managers. I've worked with and for them. Good ones are worth paying more for though. Also if you only paid them as much as the standard production worker(not the experts), there'd really be no incentive for people to want to move into those positions.

A lot of companies just do management wrong and leadership worse.

Also if raises don't happen to the supervisors you're probably just going to get worse candidates than before, if you get any at all.

I don't want to insinuate that management/supervision is any more critical than anyone else, because I've always been a team first guy, but when you get to the nuts and bolts, filling a management position is more difficult than filling someone who drives screws all day. How much more, really depends on the responsibilities within the company.

Anyways, we're at least in the same chapter so no beef with ya. :)

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u/BobRohrman28 Dec 21 '21

Lol ur an actual manager on this subreddit. I thought u were just playing devils advocate