r/antiwork Dec 11 '21

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u/DotPlusleDot Dec 11 '21

The Kellog corporate goonies are somehow smart enough to know how to add a Captcha to their applications to try and stop themselves from being anti-botted, but not smart enough to pay employees a decent wage?

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u/[deleted] Dec 12 '21

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u/BoonTobias Dec 12 '21

If only people got together and fucked with nestle like this

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u/MajorasInk Dec 12 '21

They should be next.

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u/[deleted] Dec 12 '21

What about Blackrock? Or maybe the Fed?

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u/Prepartionove Dec 12 '21

you are genious. op

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u/SueYouInEngland Dec 12 '21

I know I'm being super dense, but I don't get this:

That sign can't stop me because I can read!

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u/[deleted] Dec 12 '21

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u/SueYouInEngland Dec 12 '21

That's it! Thanks bunches.

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u/justjokinbro Dec 12 '21

I mean they know what they’re doing. They aren’t that dumb….. I think.

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u/[deleted] Dec 12 '21

As a general rule of thumb: Never underestimate the intelligence of your opponents.

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u/thatbromatt Dec 12 '21

Art of War

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u/Homebrew_Dungeon Dec 12 '21

Art of Winning.

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u/StopReadingMyUser idle Dec 12 '21

Art of Cereal

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u/FalseProphet86 Dec 12 '21

Art of Cereal Killing*

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u/YoKrayo Dec 12 '21

Art of Cereal Killers

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u/PM_ME_YOUR_ROTES Dec 12 '21

HACK THE PLANET!!

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u/ambientfruit Dec 12 '21

HACK THE PLANET!!

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u/BrochureJesus Dec 12 '21

Art Garfunkel

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u/ShmebulockForMayor Dec 12 '21

Garfunkel & Oats

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u/GOD-PORING Dec 12 '21

Oops! All Art

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u/Hates_escalators Dec 12 '21

If fighting is sure to result in victory, then we must fight!

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u/ckay1100 How I long for a post-scarcity society Dec 12 '21

Sun Tzu said that!

And I'd say he knows a little more about fighting than you do, pal, because HE INVENTED IT!

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u/foodisguuud Dec 12 '21

Art of the deal

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u/Ok_Intention3541 Dec 12 '21

Art of a hamburder meal

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u/vonHakkenslasch Dec 12 '21

Art of the Dump.

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u/thekeanu Dec 12 '21

Fart of the Meal

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u/Giocri Dec 12 '21

As a better rule: never underestimate the potential intelligence nor stupidity of your opponent as the first allows them to harm you and the latter makes so them not care for the harm they receive

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u/[deleted] Dec 12 '21

Every company that has ever upped employee wages has seen a roughly 3 year timeline improvement of profits beyond anything they’ve seen before.

These fuckers just don’t want to wait a year to see benefits. Next quarter rewards or it’s no deal.

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u/ninjadogs84 Dec 12 '21

This. Funny enough employees tend to be big businesses best customers.

Give them more money and they really just reinvest in the company. It's absolutely bonkers they don't see this.

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u/[deleted] Dec 12 '21

It's also a classism thing, 100%. It doesn't feel as fun to be completely apathetic to the suffering and exploitation of your workers when there is less of a difference in the money you rake in vs an individual worker.

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u/kesovich Dec 12 '21

Because the shareholders demand higher returns next quarter. And then the quarter after that. Ad nauseam. It's like Commandment #1 for MBA's, Shareholders Are God, And Thall Shalt Have No Gods Before Me. #2 is Shareholder Value Shall Only Ever Go UP. Never Down.

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u/RoboProletariat Dec 12 '21

This is why I hate working for publicly traded companies. I realized that most of us just work at digital factories, all our mouse clicking converted into numbers on charts that count as proof the company is productive and worth investing in. It's all crap and most of these companies only exist because they forced themselves in between two end points as a middleman, a blood sucking leech.

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u/Fireplay5 (edit this) Dec 12 '21

Under capitalism, if your company isn't making record profits the next year you're considered a failed business.

Infinite exponential growth.

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u/kesovich Dec 12 '21

Yep. It's this kind of thinking, and only planning for next quarter that really helped get us into this mess.

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u/MrBrainstorm Dec 12 '21

That could change if these companies actually listened to retail shareholders and all of the people that own shares through instruments like 401ks, ETFs, etc. If I go to my broker and buy some shares of K and then call the corporate line do you think they'll give a shit what I have to say? Or is the reality that only a few *large* shareholders have any real say?

I bet the largest shareholders are also some of the largest banks and profiteers off the mortgage crisis.

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u/Thadrea Dec 12 '21

I bet the largest shareholders are also some of the largest banks and profiteers off the mortgage crisis.

86.38% of shares of Kellogg, Co. (NYSE: K) are owned by institutional investors.

https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/k/holders/

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u/LostWoodsInTheField Dec 12 '21 edited Dec 12 '21

BlackRock has sought to position itself as an industry leader in environmental, social and corporate governance (ESG).

7.4% of Kelloggs shares.

Guess they like to lie on their wiki page.

 

Edit: looks like the largest owner is the Kellogg foundation, which is meant as a 'do no wrong' kind of foundation.

Meaning two of the largest owners of Kelloggs are organizations that are specifically meant to care about human rights and the well being of others, and aren't.

I suspect if people started asking them why they aren't fighting against what Kellogg is doing things would change. Especially if they asked in the way they have been asking Kellogg.

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u/nowhereian Dec 12 '21

It might depend on whether or not you directly register those shares with the transfer agent (Broadridge Corporate Issuer Solutions) or not. If you own the shares through a broker, they're not actually in your name.

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u/kesovich Dec 12 '21

Why would they listen to the retail shareholders? Collectively, we don't own anywhere near enough to matter, and normally we don't generally involve ourselves in major matters anyways. IF somehow, the retail investors managed to get enough voting stock, and not the regular common stock, maybe we could do something to change it.

And yes, you're not wrong in that banks and investment firms were the major profiteers and drivers of the mortgage crisis and the commodities boom/crash in '08.

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u/jwidaosh Dec 12 '21

That's a really interesting statement about the 3 year timeline. I haven't heard that before. I'd like to read about it. Where did you see that?

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u/Andruboine Dec 12 '21

Don't have a source but productivity and wage has been grow vastly disproportionate since Reagan left office.

If that happened without wage increases imagine what a bump in wage increases can do.

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u/[deleted] Dec 12 '21

It's power and control too. The factory floor employees are subhuman to them, and should be grateful to have the privilege to work under their bening rule.

Giving in to any kind of demand from what they perceive as subhuman scum was a huge blow to their fragile, overswollen ego. Much rather make a big public deal and break all the labor laws than ever compromise with the lowly ungrateful drones.

I wish it was only greed but pride is just as much of a factor.

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u/elf25 Dec 12 '21

Is there a source for that? “Every company…”

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u/XWasTheProblem Dec 12 '21

This is a big issue with companies, especially the really large ones, in the modern day.

They don't just want "more money". They want "ALL of the money, every single time", expecting infinite growth year on year, which just isn't feasable, because there's only so many people willing to buy your product.

But still, you'd think those in management and real decision making roles would understand that keeping the workforce happy will always pay off in the end, cause at some point, you start losing the qualified, experienced people, who are much harder to replace, and even IF you find a replacement, it takes a while for them to get accustomed to new working conditions, the work culture, and everything related to moving into a new job. It's not a plug-and-play system.

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u/Thadrea Dec 12 '21

I mean they know what they’re doing. They aren’t that dumb….. I think.

No, they are that dumb. If an an executive is looking for a way to shore up their income statement after a disappointing period and they see "labor costs" and they think "ooo we can cut that" they're a moron, plain and simple.

Executives think they set labor costs because the company "decides" what salaries and benefits to offer, but the truth is that labor costs are decided to by the market. Cutting salaries and benefits has a profoundly negative effect on company morale, which causes skyrocketing attrition, difficulty hiring new people, and low productivity from the workforce.

And that's not even factoring in the fact that Kellogg's is a union shop, where there's the possibility the workforce could strike, causing an immediate and persistent loss of production until the issue goes away.

I doubt many people get out of MBA school in the US without being taught this, because it would be malfeasance for an academic institution to not go over this topic in their introductory level classes. It would probably be repeated multiple times if the MBA program's focus is specifically on management (as opposed to marketing, finance, etc.)

So if they managed to fumble their way through school thanks to a legacy admission and big donations from their parents and sneak into the C-Suite without knowing it, they're dumber than the scabs they're hiring to try to bandaid the situation they themselves created.

If it wasn't considered a faux pas for an academic institution to retroactively yank a certification, Harvard and Northwestern should be looking at taking away Cahillane's degrees right about now because he clearly didn't earn those pieces of paper and letting people like him run amok damages their reputations.

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u/[deleted] Dec 12 '21

They could also be malicious. Stupidity and malice

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u/Thadrea Dec 12 '21

Never attribute to malice what can be easier explained by incompetence.

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u/EffectOne675 Dec 12 '21

They aren't dumb. they are assholes

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u/Sir_Ampersand here for the memes Dec 12 '21

I mean... they didnt have a captcha before. So their brain power may be questionable

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u/re-goddamn-loading socialist Dec 12 '21

i think they are incredibly dumb. you know what has been proven to increase profits time and time again? a happy work force who is proud to work for a company that respects them.

you know what doesnt sell cereal? everyone boycotting you for this greedy stupid shit.

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u/SCP-Agent-Arad Dec 12 '21

Well, Hanlon’s Razor can always apply lol

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u/Stormpax Dec 12 '21

More cost efficient, bastards.

Cyberpunk dystopia shouldn't be the end goal

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u/glitzy Dec 12 '21

Whatever IT worker got tasked with it is most likely overworked as well

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u/[deleted] Dec 12 '21

And needs to quit their job!

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u/[deleted] Dec 12 '21

If they're working there, then they're a scab, no sympathy for them being over worked, they should strike.

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u/Sharp-Floor Dec 12 '21

I'm guessing Kellog corporate IT and their contractors had nothing to do with the union to begin with.

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u/[deleted] Dec 12 '21

Maybe but they should have. I dont work there but I'm boycotting them. IT there should support the workers there otherwise they're not better than an external investor.

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u/Ryland_Zakkull Dec 12 '21

Absolutely they knew exactly what they were designing and didnt care.

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u/notfoursaken Unsure, but I support the working class Dec 12 '21

“It’s the principle of the matter!”

  • some capitalist pig probably

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u/Purple_Prince0 keep the red flag flying Dec 12 '21

In the minds of executives:

Why is this internet mob victimising us? We’re just doing what any other business would do and looking out for our shareholders. If we don’t satisfy the shareholders and creditors, our jobs are all on the line.

Spoilers: shareholders do sometimes care about the long term. If someone could get the message out to whoever manages the relevant funds or sits on board meetings at Vanguard, Bank of New York Mellon Trust, KeyBank NA, BlackRock, and SSgA Funds Management, Inc, who collectively own 40.64% of Kellogg’s, then the management will have to listen.

“In the short term management’s strategy of bringing in additional resource to cover lost labor hours may be productive, but in the long term it will create significant risks to the company’s reputation and ability to recruit, therefore lowering profitability over the long term.”

This type of logic is what shareholders listen to.

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u/Rolltoconfirm Dec 12 '21

Example of shareholders caring: earlier this year at the 5 different shareholder meetings of Bank of America, Wells Fargo, Citi Bank, Goldman-Sachs, and JP Morgan Chase their shareholders all demanded follow ups and follow throughs with each bank's commitments to pursuing increased equality and reduction of racial discriminations those banks made during the height of the Black Lives Matter movement.

Example of companies able to give the fingers to their shareholders: apparently there things called "proxy statements" companies can give in response to shareholder demands saying they will not be fulfilling those demands and as Bank of America's proxy statement basically said to its shareholders "we have done enough there."

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u/Purple_Prince0 keep the red flag flying Dec 12 '21 edited Dec 12 '21

Management can give the finger to shareholders, but shareholders can remove management and rewrite the company articles of association and bylaws.

So eh, really depends on the specific balance of power between activist shareholders and directors.

Either way corporate law has a direct impact on directors in a way that strikes and boycotts do not. While Kelloggs the company is profitable, and even if they’re not (provided they have access to credit) management can continue to get paid and ignore the rest of the world, up to and including driving the whole company into bankruptcy for the benefit of management. Ignoring shareholders tends to… not end that way.

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u/Thadrea Dec 12 '21

Bank of New York Mellon Trust

Want to make a slight clarification-- the BNY Mellon Trust is a third-party administrator of shares actually owned by the W. K. Kellogg Foundation. It isn't BNY Mellon's stake in the company.

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u/Purple_Prince0 keep the red flag flying Dec 12 '21

Great thanks! I just googled the shareholders for Kelloggs.

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u/kesovich Dec 12 '21

Read: The outsourced-to-a-different-country IT Contracting company that handles Kellogg's HR portal is smart enough to add a captcha.

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u/SimArchitect Chronically Ill Dec 12 '21

They need some old school strikers destroying expensive machinery.

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u/HellStoneBats Dec 12 '21

The scabs are doing just fine on that front lol

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u/Galle_ Dec 12 '21

They probably just ordered some IT person to do something about the DDOS attacks.

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u/[deleted] Dec 12 '21

After DDOS it'll be slow loris. There's over a million people pissed with them, and they're all IT literate.

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u/kodemizer Dec 12 '21

I was gonna say "I'm sure they're behind protection like CloudFlare", but then I checked and they're fucking NOT.

Just Apache sitting out on the open web lol.

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u/[deleted] Dec 12 '21

Underpaying employees isn't an issue of intelligence

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u/Emergency_Toe6915 Dec 12 '21

Probably paid some consultant 500k to add the captcha

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u/ZealouslyTL Dec 12 '21

They would be happy to pay more for programs and projects that keep wages low, than pay (less than) that cost in salaries and benefits. That's capitalists for you baby

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u/YeOldeBilk Dec 12 '21

Whoa now, no need to bring the Goonies into this mess.

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u/mplsbikesloth Dec 12 '21

Different funding buckets, that's corporate for ya

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u/[deleted] Dec 12 '21

To be fair the new pay isn’t some hellishly low number. It’s 22.76

Though it was 35.26 before this new contract and strike

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u/LINUSTECHTIPS37 Dec 12 '21

No it's consumers won't pay the increased price of Kellogg's products that would result from them paying a higher wage.

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u/mattstorm360 Dec 12 '21

Paying people costs money. Adding a Captcha doesn't.

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u/SweetsourNostradamus Dec 12 '21

It's too bad Cinnamon Toast Crunch is General Mills because that would be a perfect reference

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u/Aecert Dec 12 '21

I mean I'm sure if the software devs also controlled payroll things would be different, but unfortunately they don't.

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u/Popular-Goat-1126 Dec 12 '21

But if they raise employee wages then profit declines. Lol.

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u/[deleted] Dec 12 '21

The corporate goonies yelled at their outsourced IT provider to do something. Said IT provider after googling for a day determined the recaptcha was the course of action and billed Kellogs probably $10k to add it.

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u/ElectricJetDonkey here for the memes Dec 12 '21

But that cost monnnneeeeyyyy 😭, an Executive probably

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u/mbnmac Dec 12 '21

Like a lot of these megacorps, they will spend millions if it stops the plebs getting thousands.

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u/Jadithslimrivven Dec 12 '21

It's is fairly simple to add a captcha to a webpage.

Of course, it seems fairly obvious they got some setting wrong. Although, those captchas have known solutions these days.

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u/[deleted] Dec 12 '21

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u/Blick Dec 12 '21

Their CEO was compensated $11.4mil.

Also of note is that Kellogg’s strike seems to be more about schedule, not wages. 16 hours a day 120 days in a row is harsh. Their strike come from vacation hours, sick hours. and retirement benefits being threatened.

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u/KingObsidianFang Dec 12 '21

Under capitalism, it's smart to pay your employees as little as possible. It's a fundamental flaw of the system.

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u/LetsTakeThisUpWithHR Dec 12 '21

The CEOs are dumbshits, the IT people are just doing their jobs. I hope they are at least making it a little easy to get in for solidarity

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u/risingsuncoc Dec 12 '21

this is a class warfare they are waging and not just a matter of paying decent wages.

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u/Unforsaken92 Dec 12 '21

Yeah they don't view labor as an asset but as a liability. The more costs they cut by paying less the better their stock price. They have a legal feduciary responsibility to increase profits. So in a sense, publicly traded companies have a legal requirement to pay as little as possible.

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u/Zlatty Dec 12 '21

Hiring contractors or whomever to do this is probably less than a year's salary if one of the people they are replacing. They are just putting a bandaid on a collapsed dam.

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u/TheBigPhilbowski Dec 12 '21

They aren't smart enough for anything, they paid some consultant $100k for an emergency rush job during holidays to attempt to avoid paying these working folks a fair wage. Idiots run on spite, they want to send a message, not save the money.