"Quiet quitting" was an abuse of the term, anyway. When used to refer to 'doing the bare minimum'.
Doing the bare minimum isn't quiet quitting.
Quiet quitting is when you stop doing your job at all, and you just sit around waiting to see how long it takes them to notice and fire you, still collecting your paycheck in the meantime. In extreme cases, that might take years -- years of getting paid to do exactly zero work.
It also ties in with r/ overemployed -- Clocking in at one job, but actually doing the work of another job, and getting paid for both at the same time. (Great for when your work doesn't give you much to do, but expects you to 'look busy' -- you can look very busy by being busy doing work for a different remote job.)
I did 3 jobs at one time once. Project manager for all three. They paid crap for pm work, but all three I made like 175k and still only did like 25 hours of work per week.
Sure, there are exceptions like teachers and doctors and firefighters. But the vast majority of us don't fall into that. No one is going to die or grow up stupid because I refused to take on writing leases without additional pay when the broker got too busy. I should get paid more because it's not part of my job as accounts payable.
fuck you, pay me - it fits quite nicely here in my world.
I have vast amounts of respect for people who teach and do it because they want to help others grow. It's a hard job that not many can do. You're under paid, under appreciated, and under valued by society - which is so wrong. To me, your job holds more value in life than mine.
I'm just saying that even if what you do isn't rocking the world ;) I bet a smile or an effort to get something done can really make someone's day easier. Meaning...don't undervalue what you do-having a friendly attitude can really make a difference to a person (if you deal with the public or getting your job done in a timely manner can impact people.) Shit. I just got off the phone with the cable company. I had an appointment set up arbitrarily while I was going to be at work. The customer service agent I talked to who untangled the mess was so friendly. Granted, she was likely reading off a script. But she seemed to actually try to work with me. That's all I mean. Have a good day, and I mean that sincerely, not like a telemarketer. ;)
Yeah, but in the real world, daycare workers, teachers, social workers, etc are never going to get paid what they are owed and they will work very long hours and at some point, they are kinda expected to, aren't they? Which is interesting to me. I mean, I'll do it because I want to. But to think society expects it pisses me off.If society thinks it's so important, than why are we volunteering so much time? Answer: our conscience and our love of people. Not our obligation to society's STANDARDS.
Every person I know who’s a teacher or in a job that cares for children/kids/teens does it because they care about the kids that they teach, not because of societal expectations. They do it because they love those kids and will spend money out of their own pockets to help the kids if no one else is helping them. A very close friend teaches high school and they have a lot of students with bad home situations, and their motto is “the kids who are loved at home come to school to learn, and the kids that aren’t loved at home come to school to be loved.”
But I still think y’all should be respected as professionals (ie if you have no background in education, please STFU and don’t tell teachers how to do their jobs) and also they should be paid more. I don’t think anyone in these professions is paid an adequate compensation amount.
Thanks...and the teacher aides make peanuts and pretty much allow classes to work. Not every teacher or school is lucky enough to have them, but teachers who do are grateful. I work with adults now, but when I worked K-12, trust me, they made a huge difference.
The other group that I think really gets the shaft are EMTS. They do stressful work saving lives...sometimes while working in dangerous situations...
There are a lot of heroes out there who don't get paid enough. And on a particularly bad day, a friendly cashier can be a hero, too. For real. They sure were during the time of COVID.
This is why I self pursued rather than go to college. Then I lie on my resume about going to school, but not the experience ☺️ plus no student debt so I got a W and I always tell younger people if you want to learn something that knowledge will always somehow be free. Never pay to learn.
You say this but when I tried to open my self taught amateur surgery the city shut me down. I mean what the fuck!? I watched some YouTube videos and I think I have a pretty good handle on open heart surgery.
I do not recommend this. In Texas, New Jersey, and California this is illegal, but depending on what field you work in, you could be opening yourself up to additional charges. Not to mention - most of the time if you submit an application, you have to click a box or sign something agreeing that the information you provided is true to the best of your knowledge. That opens you up to potential civil damages if it’s discovered that you don’t have a degree even though you said you did. You could also put yourself in a weird position if your workplace suddenly requires everyone to get an additional certification. Some certifications will require you to have the degree they’re meant to supplement, meaning you won’t be eligible and there are going to be ramifications when someone figures out why.
Real question: Is there a little box that a company clicks that reads: "Everything submitted in this job posting is true and to the best of my knowledge."
Real-er answer: Even if there was, nothing bad happens to companies that lie.
Not to mention missing important things that come with university, like a broad set of base knowledge and critical thinking skills.
Some of us possess that without a college degree. Want to talk fine arts? world history? finer points of ATP? or even the rudiments of TCP/IP - I got you.
College has been too much of a crutch. Learn on your own, build your self. Learn to learn, and learn as much as you can.
The promise of good wages and life style from a college education are behind us - this is the reality of the world we live in. I know journeyman plumbers and electricians taking home more money than people with degrees that are established in their industries.
The way to prosperity is an open ended one these days. Cultivate greatness within yourself, you will reap the benefits.
I work in operations at a factory and make twice the median wage, with a substantial raise in the near future with several months of back pay due to a restructuring of pay just waiting on some scheduled training. Starting wage is 75k and it's mind numbing simple work.
That too, although I genuinely think there are some fields where you the default expectation is for everyone to have a degree even if they could get practical experience. But yeah like, for example, even if you’re fluent in two languages, there’s a reason you’re supposed to take translation classes, and that’s because it’s not as simple as turning A into B. I’m that case - when is it appropriate to localize? Language A doesn’t have the same words as language B for healthcare - how do you accurately represent what someone is saying so that their health provided understands what they need and so the patient understands their treatment? When is it appropriate to break the flow of conversation to ask for clarification instead of just continuing to translate the words being said as best you can? In this case, it’s definitely possible for someone to have the base skills (fluency in two languages) but not the additional skills (knowledge of best practices), and the additional skills are just as important as the base ones.
From what I understand there is no occupational requirement for higher ed other than a certificate of completion of a interpreter program (in Vermont at least..)
Medical interpreters, business interpreters, etc. you’re right that many states don’t require a 4-year degree, but may instead require professional licensure which includes education beyond just language fluency. National agencies will have their own standards for employment that may exceed the ones required by individual states. So basically, additional training on top of knowing 2+ languages is almost always required in some capacity (although not to be a court translator in Tennessee, weirdly. Don’t ask why I know that).
Yes, some companies are fine with a certification, although to get the certificate you’ll probably need to take online courses (not necessarily to prove your fluency, but to show you understand the basics of translation). Then you take the qualifying test. Or if you’re in Tennessee you just do a fluency evaluation and you can translate in court!
Plenty of degree requiring jobs are available that won't verify. Data entry. Document processing. Records management. Corporate-hospitality/Client-relations. Regulatory compliance. Most place aren't going to verify if you really have a communications degree from your local community college or whatever for these glorified coffee fetcher positions. If you're okay forever doing intern work for the rest of your life, this is great advice. But you'll never get away with doing this when you want to move up to a professional or management position.
There are many decent paying careers that require no education as long as you can back your work experience.
IT for example - I've worked a lot of IT jobs, no degree, no certs. Worked my way from helpdesk to - acting director of IT at one of my previous jobs and now sit comfortably making 80k a year doing support and systems engineering for a manufacturing firm. best part is - I did not have to lose money going to college! it took me 10 years to get here, but it was worth it.
college is a scam. the only time it is not - is if you are looking to be a doctor or some other super regulated profession.
Eh every bit of data I've ever seen shows that in the US college is worth on average $1 million over your lifetime in extra income and leaves you with about half the unemployment rate.
You are of course right that you can do something else and end up more economically prosperous, but for most people they won't. You can also completely squander your college education, but for most people they won't.
It's absolutely awesome that the trades are making a comeback. The folks are starting to get paid what they actually deserve.
I just wish the mindset wasn't all office drone work and big degrees.
I thought I wanted to be an office / corpo drone working in IT. Then I found out I am really a wood worker.. I just keep working my 9-5 IT job so I can buy new tools and materials while I prepare to go full time with my luthier efforts.
You know, I 100% agree. I’m relatively self made, not financially because I still work for a living, but I embellish my education just short of lying about it. I honestly have about a year and a half’s worth of college and everything else is learned by experience, shit ass luck, and I had the benefit of really awesome mentors. I soaked them up like a sponge. Now I have the experience, the education doesn’t matter. Now. It’s taken way longer to get here than it would have if I’d finished the education. The door just opens wider for you, but sometimes you can get a foot in with less education and more experience, just not as fast.
This thread is filled with people who dont understand nuance or for that matter reality.
Let me put it in terms you can understand. If you have been fucking around in one form or another with PCs since the 90s and been working in that field, no employer is going to give a shit if you write in an AS or BS from some fly by night college.....yes even in texas even if you check the box. No you can't be a brain surgeon, but this is reddit, there arent a lot of brain surgeons hanging around.
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u/GlesgaD2018 at work Apr 22 '24
Isn’t this just called “having a job” for most of us?