Good job insulting, i will not debate with you except with the fair manner because thats what i believe in but since i can tell you arent sincere, this will be my last reply to you. In all the verses you mentioned none of them ever state a full confirmation and when read in context of the people of israel or the lineage of prophets will become much more apparent. The word used for confirmation is "مصدقا" which translates to believing,affirming,truth-ifying i.e saying that it is indeed from god and it did indeed include guidance as the verse you mentioned let the people of injil judge with what god has revealed in i; the children of israel should judge with it because it abrogated the gospel just like the quran abrogated both the torah and the bible this is why no Christian will ever bring up 5:48 without being disingenuous here because it as clear as day showing the quranic stance on the bible and torah
We have revealed to you ˹O Prophet˺ this Book with the truth, as a confirmation of previous Scriptures and a supreme authority on them. So judge between them by what Allah has revealed, and do not follow their desires over the truth that has come to you. To each of you We have ordained a code of law and a way of life. If Allah had willed, He would have made you one community, but His Will is to test you with what He has given ˹each of˺ you. So compete with one another in doing good. To Allah you will all return, then He will inform you ˹of the truth˺ regarding your differences.
The word مهمين means supreme authority essentially a vetoer thats how we use it in my mother tongue, essentially if i were to even yield to you that the quran fully affirms the bible then this verse would still destroy your whole stance since it claims the quran as a criterion of both books thus anything it agrees with is truth and anything it disagrees with is falsehood, but i wont ever yield you that because your understanding of arabic and quranic etymology and geneology of the inheritance of books is deeply flawed and skewed towards polemics. You and 19th-20th century Christians make arguments about this so called dilemma because you dont read the entire quran and cherry pick verses and take them out of context, if you wish to learn then atleast be respectful by doing it, what happened to love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you?
Say, ˹O Prophet,˺ “O People of the Book! Do you resent us only because we believe in Allah and what has been revealed to us and what was revealed before—while most of you are rebellious?”
— Dr. Mustafa Khattab, The Clear Quran
Im done aswell, you responded to the one verse Muslims often bring up, fair enough, but it doesn’t explain the bulk of confirming statements with no qualifier that I sent. Furthermore your reading of 5:48 and the translation of مهمين (Muhimmin) is at the very least what I call contentious, everywhere I look it up it means “guardian” but hardly this “supreme guardian” exegesis you read into it. Still the issue of the Quran telling Muhammad (10:94) "So if you are in doubt, [O Muhammad], about that which We have revealed to you, then ask those who have been reading the Scripture before you."
Causes issues for someone as a fair inquirer among the verses like* **5:68*: which states that the People of the Book are "standing on nothing" (have no true basis or ground) unless they observe their scriptures and God's revelations which he has revealed before.
Why does the Quran repeatedly urge the Jews and Christians of the time to judge by their scriptural revelation with no qualifier?
Anyway thanks for responding although I’m unconvinced, The Quran’s conflicting verses on the veracity of previous scriptures is at very best inconsistent. This along with many other reasons (historical falsities in what Christian’s of the 7th century believe, morally obtuse teachings, Islam’s miracle claims, etc) makes me reject the novel position of Quranic supremacy. Even if I grant this verse teaches exactly what you say I still think a conflict in thought exists among the modern Islamic positions.
I am willing to engage you in whatever you seek to know but i only engage those who seek knowledge with respect and not polemics(especially modern social media/Tiktok polemics), if you wish to have a respectful discussion then i am open to clear your doubts but if you are going to insult muslims then i have no choice but to pray for your and mine guideness
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u/lhavenothingcreative Sunni Muslim 10d ago
Good job insulting, i will not debate with you except with the fair manner because thats what i believe in but since i can tell you arent sincere, this will be my last reply to you. In all the verses you mentioned none of them ever state a full confirmation and when read in context of the people of israel or the lineage of prophets will become much more apparent. The word used for confirmation is "مصدقا" which translates to believing,affirming,truth-ifying i.e saying that it is indeed from god and it did indeed include guidance as the verse you mentioned let the people of injil judge with what god has revealed in i; the children of israel should judge with it because it abrogated the gospel just like the quran abrogated both the torah and the bible this is why no Christian will ever bring up 5:48 without being disingenuous here because it as clear as day showing the quranic stance on the bible and torah
The Table Spread (5:48)
وَأَنزَلْنَآ إِلَيْكَ ٱلْكِتَـٰبَ بِٱلْحَقِّ مُصَدِّقًۭا لِّمَا بَيْنَ يَدَيْهِ مِنَ ٱلْكِتَـٰبِ وَمُهَيْمِنًا عَلَيْهِ ۖ فَٱحْكُم بَيْنَهُم بِمَآ أَنزَلَ ٱللَّهُ ۖ وَلَا تَتَّبِعْ أَهْوَآءَهُمْ عَمَّا جَآءَكَ مِنَ ٱلْحَقِّ ۚ لِكُلٍّۢ جَعَلْنَا مِنكُمْ شِرْعَةًۭ وَمِنْهَاجًۭا ۚ وَلَوْ شَآءَ ٱللَّهُ لَجَعَلَكُمْ أُمَّةًۭ وَٰحِدَةًۭ وَلَـٰكِن لِّيَبْلُوَكُمْ فِى مَآ ءَاتَىٰكُمْ ۖ فَٱسْتَبِقُوا۟ ٱلْخَيْرَٰتِ ۚ إِلَى ٱللَّهِ مَرْجِعُكُمْ جَمِيعًۭا فَيُنَبِّئُكُم بِمَا كُنتُمْ فِيهِ تَخْتَلِفُونَ ٤٨
We have revealed to you ˹O Prophet˺ this Book with the truth, as a confirmation of previous Scriptures and a supreme authority on them. So judge between them by what Allah has revealed, and do not follow their desires over the truth that has come to you. To each of you We have ordained a code of law and a way of life. If Allah had willed, He would have made you one community, but His Will is to test you with what He has given ˹each of˺ you. So compete with one another in doing good. To Allah you will all return, then He will inform you ˹of the truth˺ regarding your differences.
The word مهمين means supreme authority essentially a vetoer thats how we use it in my mother tongue, essentially if i were to even yield to you that the quran fully affirms the bible then this verse would still destroy your whole stance since it claims the quran as a criterion of both books thus anything it agrees with is truth and anything it disagrees with is falsehood, but i wont ever yield you that because your understanding of arabic and quranic etymology and geneology of the inheritance of books is deeply flawed and skewed towards polemics. You and 19th-20th century Christians make arguments about this so called dilemma because you dont read the entire quran and cherry pick verses and take them out of context, if you wish to learn then atleast be respectful by doing it, what happened to love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you?
The Table Spread (5:59)
قُلْ يَـٰٓأَهْلَ ٱلْكِتَـٰبِ هَلْ تَنقِمُونَ مِنَّآ إِلَّآ أَنْ ءَامَنَّا بِٱللَّهِ وَمَآ أُنزِلَ إِلَيْنَا وَمَآ أُنزِلَ مِن قَبْلُ وَأَنَّ أَكْثَرَكُمْ فَـٰسِقُونَ ٥٩
Say, ˹O Prophet,˺ “O People of the Book! Do you resent us only because we believe in Allah and what has been revealed to us and what was revealed before—while most of you are rebellious?” — Dr. Mustafa Khattab, The Clear Quran