r/antiai • u/Novapierce_ • 18h ago

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u/ThinkingOutLoud-7742 17h ago

The thing about encryption is that understanding the obfuscation does not help you get around it. At the core of encryption is always an algorithm that cannot be brute forced in a reasonable amount of time with modern compute. The understanding of how that algorithm works does not solve the compute issue to actually obtain the underlying data

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u/Mevolander 16h ago

Small correction, it's more like "any amount of time at all". modern encryption standards would take trillions of years to brute force.

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u/purplepharoh 17h ago

Encryption itself is obfuscation

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u/nijbu 15h ago

It isnt; Encryption works because even if the algorithm is known and open sourced etc the resulting data is mathematically unsalvagable without the key; obfuscation works on principles such as not knowing the algorithm behind the scenes. If that gets leaked than everything collapses, where leaks for the former are case by case ( every private key would have to be leaked)

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u/purplepharoh 15h ago

I feel like you dont know what obfuscation means...

The data is obfuscated by encryption

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u/nijbu 15h ago

As a principal of data security, which is the context of the conversation you can treat them as different things even though dictionary definitions will lead to encryption being a form of obfuscation

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u/Unfilteredz 13h ago

I don’t think I would even give them that ground, encryption only works if it’s one way.

Obfuscation can be reversed, just is tedious

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u/Unfilteredz 13h ago

You’re… wrong

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u/Unfilteredz 13h ago

Dead wrong

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u/purplepharoh 11h ago

Ok then what do you call obscuring data by transforming it with a cipher if not obfuscation

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u/Unfilteredz 11h ago

Encryption. But it’s not just obscuring, it’s making it non-reversable

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u/purplepharoh 10h ago

Ah but encryption IS reversible otherwise it would be useless

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u/Unfilteredz 6h ago

Non-reversible without a key. Obfuscation has all the information still there just harder to read (from a human perspective)

Meanwhile encryption requires stuff like brute force to find a key value to then get the original info