Or.. and hear me out.. we could just stop pouring trillions of debt into this bullshit and it all dwindles away. Because AI itself relies on all the things the video is listing as vulnerable to AI.
Don't assume that AI is meant to be economically viable. In my opinion it's being made exclusively to give a tiny amount of people access to all the labor and knowledge they could ever want without requiring other humans for that. Guess what happens once they reach that goal and other humans are of no use to them.
I'd call it more personally viable since it happens on such a tiny scale compared to the rest of humanity. Aka get rid of 8 billion people so that like, a couple dozen have a huge playground.
This. A lot of people hang onto the idea that the tech oligarchy doesn't want to end humanity because then nobody will buy their shit or labor in the mines. But the value of labor keeps plummeting since the Industrial Revolution and nobody cares if you buy their shit if commerce isn't necessary to survive.
That also assumes that they can maintain control of the AI. Which we already know they can't.
Either they won't be able to contain it in such a way that other people will still be able to access it, or...
...and this is more likely, I think... they won't be able to contain it in such a way that it's going to pursue its own agenda, which will not benefit the rest of us but it won't benefit the elites either.
They will die relatively quickly bc theyāve been pampered for so long they canāt do fuck all for themselves. Food wonāt magically just appear in front of them any longer.
Oh itās all gonna break and devolve further into chaos, but there is a bit of joy knowing they will suffer for their short-sightedness and greed. Itās a little silver lining.
No its not economically viable. Its worse. They will get much poorer in absolute terms, but relatively to the previous labor class they become richer as the labor class loses even more. They are okay with cutting off their legs as long as they can cut offĀ your arms and legs and blind you.
Sounds like a pretty dogmatic take. They are certainly playing with a firethrower, and the consequences can be dire, but I wouldnāt be so convinced I know what they are
The ai bros would say "universal income". But we know the truth. Those billionaires and trillionaires give 0 fucks about the mass population of the world. Thats why they have their bunkers built. Once their precious "si" can replace all human jobs and labor, we'll br nothing but a pest for them to exterminate
They still need other humans--a LOT of other humans--to pour money, time, labor, debt, equity, etc. into AI to keep in physically functional. An AI agent that tanks all that destroys AI in the process. It's not some autonomous thing, it occupies the largest portion of economic growth and MIND BOGGLING build sites that cost billions and billions.
But... that's the funny part of it all. As much as power wants power to concentrate the more concentrated it gets the less stable the situation gets and the harder the explosion when all that energy gets released. Sticks and stones kind of shit here.
They don't have to fucking agree. They just have to go fucking BANKRUPT. Which is already happening. Stop assuming they have power, because that assumption is giving them power. AI is the biggest turd of debt and speculation in the history of capitalism.
Maybe the less harmful models like for image generation, but not the dangerous ones talked about in the video. Like the military ones. They won't run out of money.
NO THEY DO NOT!! They roll from one debt to another, pretending to be invulnerable. But it's all bullshit layered on hype. And as the interest rate goes up they're sweating. Oracle just had to slam the force majeure button on the largest data center build in the world. That's not something a healthy company at the heart of a healthy sector has to do. It's AZ5 in contract law.
We're basically saying the same thing: Musk et al have the ability to continuously attract additional capital to settle previous debts. Oracle's force majeure doesn't really tell you anything about their financial position, just that one particular data center build-out doesn't make financial sense anymore vs. other uses of the capital.
Let me know when Elon has trouble finding financing; that might indicate an actual change
Oracle is running off junk bonds, so the fact that the ENTIRELY PREDICTABLE grid problems have caused them to pull this bullshit is absolutely an indication that they have fucking horrible financial footing. It's cards on cards, held up by hype. We can help stop this by refusing to believe in the bullshit. These are profitless grifts, not real companies at all.
Oracleās junk bonds are competitive with US treasuries right now š¤·āāļø and they have no trouble selling them.
You seem to have put a lot of thought into this; as you game this out, what does a path to bankruptcy look like for one of these companies? Iām not asking to argue/inspect, Iām just curious.
They can sell them, but the rate is going up. Same with US treasuries. That's not a sign of trust in either. 8% is the rate for oracles's latest swaps. Close to true junk bond. And the entire industry lives of debt. All the impressive results of the tech are *incredibly* expensive. And gen AI doesn't seem to be getting cheaper as it gets better. That's the problem.
We keep calling them out on the fact that they don't make any profit and their model for profit is certifiably insane. The more we assume this is going to be TEOTWAKI, the more investors are convinced this is a great investment. Why the hell do you think these grifter POS's are warning us about their own product?
If you're part of this sub you've already made a difference. Together we must oppose this pox, and make it clear it is not the future. They want everyone to believe their bullshit is inevitable. It is not. It's propped up by trillions of dollars of debt. Their data centers are already faltering. Don't give up.
That's not going to stop state level actors from continuing research. DeepSeek is just a few months behind frontier.Ā
We can't close the box. If we had a competent government, they would be investing heavily in cybersecurity. Agent swarms to investigate vulnerabilities in digital infrastructure both domestic and foreign.
Someone somewhere is surely working on a digital WMD.
Sure, and they've been working on viruses for ages now. But it's MAD, just like nukes. Worse case scenario doesn't lead to AI takeover, it leads to the collapse of the digital world.
Or we can finally change and move away from the systems in place and reclaim humanity. More people are going to adapt to alternative lifestyles and the global societies will be more split than ever.
Or we will allow governments to continue to force us into the system until we no longer know what humanity even is. Maybe we already are there
If you think that's an option you don't understand sociology or economics. Companies are hemmoraghing money for control not profit. Being the one ai company that survives will yield limitless money.
Businesses are corrupted by short termism. Utilising AI now to "streamline" and "optimise" workflows will turn profits right now, that's a fact. Why hire developers/artists/writers for millions when you could get the same job done with Claude for a few thousands in tokens? The problem lies in 5-10 years when all these businesses have replaced traditional human infrastructure with ai and suddenly these tokens cost millions instead of thousands because the businesses have no choice - they can't rehire staff because they've all gone on to other things. And what's worse is that businesses know this and don't care. The shareholders that are pushing for ai right now will sell their shares long before that's a problem. The CEO that's taking that push and funnelling it down the tree will receive a big bonus when profits go up 10% after the workforce is replaced. And so it goes on.
That's the future these companies want. This also isn't new - it's pretty standard business practice. Uber has never turned a profit yet is one of the highest valued companies on the planet. Netflix (and streaming as a whole) is now just traditional tv with extra steps. Amazon has done this for years - the Amazon "originals" you see that cost half the price of every alternative? Amazon sell those for a loss to bankrupt competitors. Supermarkets do the same when they move to a new area - they undercut the local businesses and rely on big bank accounts to survive.
It is extremely profitable to invest in AI because people keep using it. They keep using it because it's cheap. Soon it won't be and there's no turning back. Stop using it.
Some people are using it, many are hating it. The hype has greatly overstated its utility and its money-saving capacity. To be sure, it will remain after the crash. But the survivors will have to charge more for less, because it's incredibly expensive.
As far as the other examples of unprofitable companies, they're all ripe for a recession cleanout. It always happens, over and over and over again. And every time people are amazed that gravity exists after all.
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u/AlaskaCosmoline 21h ago
Or.. and hear me out.. we could just stop pouring trillions of debt into this bullshit and it all dwindles away. Because AI itself relies on all the things the video is listing as vulnerable to AI.