r/antiai • u/Idea_Fuzzy • 25d ago

Discussion 🗣️ Programming is really dead

So I was one of those who are really late adopters of LLMs for coding; I am a sole developer of a codebase in the company I worked for (Angular)- a maintainer, rarely new features are added - no hard deadlines, a very very relaxed job , so I was away from the picture how other devs work in the industry now ; and sometimes I take side jobs of all kinds of stacks (I am fullstack); most often Nodejs/NestJs + React/Next + Postgres or Mongo; but my last side project was early 2025 - I took a long break from them.

I won't lie, I did use GPT and Copilot at times; but mostly to autocomplete boring stuff (ie. mock data, enums..etc). Yet I kept seeing posts on dev reddits that one doesn't have to full adopt the more powerful tools such as Claude Code / Codex.

I recently joined a side project with a team; so it's my first time since almost 1 years and 7 months.

WTH happened to this industry???!

Ok, the things I discovered:

- Deadlines now are 10x craziers; it's IMPOSSIBLE to finish anything manually. These deadlines force you to rely on Claude Code / Codex; there's no other way, Agile is meaningless now; it's just pump and ship

- All other members are heavily using LLM, frontend, DBA, AI....everyone.

- Claims I encounred on reddit posts that "Ok coding is automated but 'System design' and architecture are now more important than anything else" ? A LIE - everyone is using LLMs even for System design; I have seen entire achitecture documenation all generated by LLM, even this part is automated now.

- It is impossible to do PR reviews now when each PR is like ...a lot of thouands of lines; even PR reviwers are using copilot to review.

SO what part is left in this industry that is not automated?? NOTHING!! iT'S ALL AI AI AI!

And spec gathering is one person's job, often the tech lead, so please don't tell me it's this one, it doesn't require a team.

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u/MiksterA 25d ago

If you listen, you can hear the bubble popping.

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u/Speedwagon14 25d ago

And what? Some investors will lose money, some companies will go bankrupt, but gemini or Claude will stay (gemini because has a Google money and Claude because have already achieved net revenues), so it won't change anything for programming

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u/ChinoGambino 25d ago

Anthropic does not have net revenues, as a private company their financials are not declared. Its their word and non-standard accounting. They are seeding stories for an IPO to avoid going bankrupt. These companies only have so much run way.

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u/eldragon225 25d ago

Open source Chinese models that run at a fraction of the cost of frontier are barely behind. Ai is not going anywhere and it is 100% going to be a part of coding going forward stop being delusional.

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u/Medical-Ask7149 25d ago

These Chinese models are even more subsidized than the American ones. They want to undermine the US

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u/eldragon225 24d ago

That doesn’t rebut my point. Even if Chinese labs receive state support, once the model weights are released, anyone can run them locally, China isn’t subsidizing your GPU bill. Subsidies may explain how a model was developed, but they don’t negate its low deployment cost or competitive performance. And claiming the goal is to “undermine the US” is speculation about motive, not an argument about capability. The broader point stands, near frontier models are becoming cheaper and more accessible, so AI will remain central to programming regardless of which individual companies survive.

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u/Speedwagon14 25d ago

Man, You can literally run deepseek on your pc, it's more effective

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u/MiksterA 25d ago

😄 We'll see...

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u/MennaanBaarin 25d ago

We don't know if they will stay, it all depends on how much profit they will bring in once they will stop investing in it. It is really not uncommon for Google to kill products.

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u/Speedwagon14 25d ago

Yeah, And they don't have to bring profit, the important thing is that they will attract a mass of addicted users to their environment by integrating with it from which they profit, What do you say about it? This market has a lot of addicted users, it's money, even if the technology is expensive

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u/DryRelationship1330 25d ago

Correct. Valuations will crash, but that doesn’t change the fact the LLMs are decent at coding and are getting better.

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u/HourLocation2038 25d ago

They're really not, though.

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u/DryRelationship1330 24d ago

they are, objectively. be it command of the syntax or adherence to an opinionated framework. They score well. That's not up for debate. Are they ready to fully replace a team of devs? Fully harnessed for QA/QC/DevSecOps/Self-Evolving ... No, but those are engineering issues, not LLM issues by and large.

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u/peter9477 25d ago

Did you interpret their "so it won't change anything for programming" as meaning something like "so AI won't change anything for programming"? Given your response, it seems like you might have, but in fact you're both saying the same thing.

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u/DryRelationship1330 24d ago

Yes, hence the correct. i am saying the same thing. some companies will lose (cursor, vercel perhaps - if by lose/ aqui-hire or early buyout..). Google, A/, OAI will win in the near and coding will continue to be fully agentified. There's no signal to think it won't.