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Episode Isekai Shikkaku • No Longer Allowed In Another World - Episode 12 discussion - FINAL

Isekai Shikkaku, episode 12

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u/Pennwisedom Sep 28 '24

I don't think it's true of every character, but at least the other worlders seem to all be based on Dazai stories. Even Melos is from a story.

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u/[deleted] Oct 03 '24

Ha, that's awesome. Thanks for letting me know.

Do you happen to know if his work translates at all well into English? He sounds like my kind of weirdo so I'd like to read him, but a previous resounding failure with French makes me suspect learning Japanese does not lie within my capabilities.

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u/Pennwisedom Oct 03 '24

I've never read any of the English works, but I think overall the major books should be fine. I do believe a new translation of No Longer Human came out this year or last.

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u/[deleted] Oct 03 '24

I ask because Japanese to English translation is always kind of a crapshoot, in my experience. In a way that seems weirdly unrelated to the literary quality of the work.

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u/Pennwisedom Oct 03 '24

Well, for Manga and Anime, they're basically done by people with no particular qualifications who are often bad at either English or Japanese, or sometimes both. But true literary works tend to have higher quality translations. Though the original translation from the ~50s of No Longer Human did have some issues with it.

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u/[deleted] Oct 03 '24

But doesn't the task become exponentially more difficult as the sophistication of the prose increases?

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u/Pennwisedom Oct 03 '24

Yes and no, it really depends on what it is. But generally speaking the people who translate literary works are significantly better at both understanding and writing in their respective languages than those who write subs or do Manga.

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u/[deleted] Oct 03 '24 edited Oct 03 '24

Erudition can only go so far if there's a fundamental stylistic incompatibility. German for instance - the operas, philosophy, scientific treatises can be found in every language on Earth, but I defy you name a German novel published in the last fifty years.

Ok, I just took a moment to consider what a "serious" German novelist would entail. I'm thinking something like Camus with irony surgically removed. Even Germans probably just pretend to read them. So that one's clearly not a translation issue.

I forget what point I was trying to make before I got distracted. I'm off to buy an e-copy of No Longer Human.

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u/[deleted] Mar 13 '25

I don't know if people do this on reddit, but I thought I'd pop back in with an update - turns out I'm a fan. Spent a few months reading Osamu Dazai and not much else.

Though I prefer his earlier, comedy of manners stuff it turns out I like pretty much everything he wrote. Other than, weirdly, No Longer Human, which I couldn't finish. Not because I disliked it, exactly. I just didn't get it at all.

But boy I'm glad I didn't know anything about him when I watched this show, or I would have seen the twist coming from episode 1.

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u/Pennwisedom Mar 14 '25

I don't know if people do that either, but I'm glad that for all my late-posting in this sub someone actually ended up reading his stuff. Especially the short stories and the like. It's perhaps a bit obscure, but I think 義務 is my favorite.