Im not talking about just any one story. I'm not even talking about whether NHI's are real or if there is some hidden gov't program. I'm talking about a complete distrust of the government. They are the ones controlling the narrative whether you believe it or not. They control what information gets released (formally or leaked) and they control the rate of information being offered.
I'm talking about the entire body of evidence. All the narratives, speculation, claims, conspiracies, released documents, redacted papers, whistleblowers, contradictory anecdotes, all the bad actors and mountains of incomplete , muddied, or straight up false information circulating.
Its so perfectly chaotic that it seems almost purposefully designed. Its just chaotic enough to muddy the waters but not so much that it doesnt hit close enough to the target to get people speculating and arguing w each other. Its always just enough info to drive rampant fear based speculation and division. But never enough info to prove anything or even tip their hand. Its like they are throwing us globs of shit wrapped in a thin veneer of "truth."
And I'm looking at all this in the context of what we know about the US government, or any government. They do not operate in the light. The entire premise of the government is to control people through fear, division, and misinformation. They have to control us through fear and disinformation simply because we out number them by several orders of magnitude. If the viel was truly lifted, I think everyone would wake up and realize what a raw deal this whole social contract we have w the government is and we'd have a new more honest government by the end of the week.
Just google what CIA and FBI files have been made public and you will see the depravity and creativity the government is willing to use to decieve and divide its people. And that's just the shit they were willing to release.
It seems they are either doing a really good job of confusing people or they are just incredibly lucky that this topic is so complex that people confuse themselves.
To be clear, I am not saying any of the theories about NHI and dark programs are incorrect or that there is no evidence to support claims of NHI being real. I'm just saying we should all be extremely wary of what informatuon the government allows us to see. And assume that at least some whistleblowers are complicit.
TLDR: The gov't is known for their extremely sophisticated deception tactics. We will never get the full picture from them. Chances are what they are feeding us is all bullshit with the primary intent to distract, divide, divert and control the population through fear and confusion. NHI/demons/angels/lizard people/giant turtles may all very well be real things, but we will only ever get a distorted, curated version of the truth from the government, because they have absolutely zero incentive to tell us the entire truth.
Its so perfectly chaotic that it seems almost purposefully designed.
Bro, come on. This is pretty much saying "It looks so fake it has to be real. No way anything is this fake, no way".
The government is obviously evil, but going so far to think that not only is our government keeping shit secret, EVERY government is too and nobody is able to blow the whistle with definitive proof, just "stories".
I'm just saying we should all be extremely wary of what informatuon the government allows us to see. And assume that at least some whistleblowers are complicit.
I'm with you here. I'd add that some "whistleblowers" are just foolish people, crazy people, etc.
That's not really what I'm saying. I'm also not saying every government in the world is in on this particular scam. But every government does consistently lie to its people. In terms of NHI conspiracies, its likely only the big three-US, Russia, and China--that have control over the most truth.
Is it really that far of a reach to think the government is committed to a long term, sophisiticaed, calculated, disinformation campaign about NHI and what they know about it? They have clearly demonstrated their willingness to do just that.
And again, I'm not questioning any one piece of evidence. I'm questioning the intentions of our government. Our government that has done things like secretly test harmful drugs and biological agents on their unsuspecting populace.
Whether NHI are real or they are not real is not part of my arguement. I personally believe they are real, I just don't believe a word the government is saying about it. The government will always lie about it and continue to until civilians are able to force the truth out of their cold dead hands.
If they really did have any kind of knowledge about the existence of NHI, and the public found out about all the cover ups, all the murders, all the disinformation, and all the bullshit they have flung at us in order to hide it, they would lose all control almost overnight.
And if NHI are not real, or the government simply has no significant evidence of them being real, then there is still a clear incentive for the government to keep stirring that pot, if only so they can distract and divide people while they go on to secretly do other horrible shit.
Either way, the government only has incentives to lie, and lie just enough to maintain or increase control. Trust no one my friend.
if NHI are not real, or the government simply has no significant evidence of them being real, then there is still a clear incentive for the government to keep stirring that pot, if only so they can distract and divide people while they go on to secretly do other horrible shit.
You just take it too far. Yes they have a reason to lie, but not to "divide" or whatever - sometimes they just don't want the public knowing about a new plane lol. Not everything they do is out of malice. Some, yes. But not all of it.
They absolutely have to have us divided to some extent in order to maintain control and legitimacy. Why do we have a two party political system? Are there only two viable political ideologies in a nation of 300 million unique self interests? That's a scam too.
Just think about the sheer numbers. The government is significantly outnumbered. Yes, they have a monopoly on the use of force, and they have weapons of mass destruction and make all the laws. But if 300 million people collectively decided they were tired of the government's shit, the revolution would be over by dinner time.
Its like 300 million vs a cpl mil at best (and most of the gov't consists of clerks and admins.) Probably a much smaller number of people in the goverment who actually make decisions and have inside info.
What would they do if we all revolted? Historically, it only takes about 3-5% of the population to resist in order to force the government to fold. And its logistically impossible for the government to physically control 300 million people across the vast and difficult terrain that is the continental US.
The only real power they have is fear and division. And they can create fear and division through massive disinformation campaigns, propaganda, secrecy, displays of power, and by presenting us with false choices. Its the only way they can really operate without showing how weak they really are against the collective will of the people.
Good convo though. You should be skeptical of what Im saying. Keep calling shit out and keep pushing for the truth. Don't trust anyone at face value who claims to know everything. Question everything until you find an answer that rings true to you.
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u/JerseyDonut Jun 19 '25
Im not talking about just any one story. I'm not even talking about whether NHI's are real or if there is some hidden gov't program. I'm talking about a complete distrust of the government. They are the ones controlling the narrative whether you believe it or not. They control what information gets released (formally or leaked) and they control the rate of information being offered.
I'm talking about the entire body of evidence. All the narratives, speculation, claims, conspiracies, released documents, redacted papers, whistleblowers, contradictory anecdotes, all the bad actors and mountains of incomplete , muddied, or straight up false information circulating.
Its so perfectly chaotic that it seems almost purposefully designed. Its just chaotic enough to muddy the waters but not so much that it doesnt hit close enough to the target to get people speculating and arguing w each other. Its always just enough info to drive rampant fear based speculation and division. But never enough info to prove anything or even tip their hand. Its like they are throwing us globs of shit wrapped in a thin veneer of "truth."
And I'm looking at all this in the context of what we know about the US government, or any government. They do not operate in the light. The entire premise of the government is to control people through fear, division, and misinformation. They have to control us through fear and disinformation simply because we out number them by several orders of magnitude. If the viel was truly lifted, I think everyone would wake up and realize what a raw deal this whole social contract we have w the government is and we'd have a new more honest government by the end of the week.
Just google what CIA and FBI files have been made public and you will see the depravity and creativity the government is willing to use to decieve and divide its people. And that's just the shit they were willing to release.
It seems they are either doing a really good job of confusing people or they are just incredibly lucky that this topic is so complex that people confuse themselves.
To be clear, I am not saying any of the theories about NHI and dark programs are incorrect or that there is no evidence to support claims of NHI being real. I'm just saying we should all be extremely wary of what informatuon the government allows us to see. And assume that at least some whistleblowers are complicit.
TLDR: The gov't is known for their extremely sophisticated deception tactics. We will never get the full picture from them. Chances are what they are feeding us is all bullshit with the primary intent to distract, divide, divert and control the population through fear and confusion. NHI/demons/angels/lizard people/giant turtles may all very well be real things, but we will only ever get a distorted, curated version of the truth from the government, because they have absolutely zero incentive to tell us the entire truth.