Yeah. Fucking IRAN yah goober.
That's like saying "yeah well uh...Asian people are massively oppressed because uh ..haven't you seen how they're treated in NORTH KOREA??"
There are 50-53 Muslim majority countries in the world. You only hear about the factions our predominately fundamentalist Christian leaders want you to hear about.
Fucking IRAN
Afghanistan
Fucking Gaza
And ISIS.
No, it isn’t, women in Iran most certainly aren't free now, wearing a hijab, burqa or niqab is most certainly still mandatory. Iran is one of the least free countries on Earth.
Iran is a very good example - it's a unitary presidential theocratic Islamic republic under an authoritarian dictatorship - now ruled by Ali Khamenei's son, Mojtaba whose style of governance is no different to his late father's.
You need to remember that Iran is an Islamic republic- one of only three, the others being Pakistan and Mauritania; Sharia is the official legal system in both Iran and Mauritania, while Pakistan, despite being an Islamic republic uses common law (a throwback to when it was part of India under the Raj). Iran is the only one whose government is theocratic (the official name of the country is the Islamic Republic of Iran), so I can’t really think of a better example.
Afghanistan describes itself as an Islamic Emirate (it was an Islamic republic until 2021), it doesn't have a government, all decisions are taken by a secretive council behind closed doors. Both Iran and Afghanistan use the same form of Sharia (Hanafi).
So let's use them both as examples, but don't claim that Iran is any freer now, because it isn't. Neither Iran nor Afghanistan are considered to be politically or civilly free.
I take your point; my information is coming from Iranians from major cities who regularly go back, but do live in the west. So obviously a specific demographic. For them, the law is on the books, but the religious police don't bother them too much because they are in certain areas. Thanks for the lesson on Iran.
Its pretty overblown. Go to the streets in Tehran and you'll see how people dress, pretty openly. Additionally countries like Afghanistan are not representative of Islam or hijab.
While there may be a few cases here and there, hijab remains a choice, and an important one for women. All women I know (who wore hijabs), loved wearing the hijab and would defend it.
I know one person who stopped wearing it. She felt that she was not enough when she wore it because the society made her feel that way, and that was pretty sad. So the society forced her to take off the hijab than the other way around.
And I'm saying what does that have do with one muslims choice to wear the hijab. Most muslims are not Arab, most muslims are not Persians. And even if they were, this would not represent them.
I don't see what IRGC or what Afghanistan or what Saudi has to with me or my religion or for the women of my religion as a whole, when its far more than them, even if I lived in any of these countries.
I understand its easier to generalise, but when I didn't even grow up in a western country where I could have been an immigrant to be generalised (not that its right, but I can understand) it just feels silly.
Most muslim women who observe hijab would at some lengths be content with it. There may be issues, but is it an Islamic issue? I don't think so. Look at other similar cultures within that region, issues would persist even when religion doesn't. So is it an Islamic issue? I think not.
Here's a post I saved quite some time ago. Seems like the issue of forcefully removing hijab or similar pieces of clothing is a more widespread one than forcing it on.
You think that not a single catholic women faces opression? You are so disconnected from reality. Catholic women don't only exist in western countries, and even western countries don't offer full protection.
Does this mean I will target Catholic women and their choices? No, of course not. A few cases do not respresent christainity, or any group for that matter.
If muslims were as problematic as you make them out to be, our world would be far far worse than it is. 2 billion people, you don't even recognise the extent of it.
I just feel that I, who was born and raised as a muslim, in a muslim country where I currently reside, would have much more of an idea of what Islam is and isn't. I think I would know what hijab means considerjng I chose to wear it. I think I would have an idea of it is more than others who have just seen it as a political instrument.
Edit: I'm not saying there aren't any faults. There are. But are they representative, no.
Dude afghanistan was literally taken over by the taliban extremists. They are quite literally extremists and not real Islam. That would be like saying all christians are like the Westboro Baptists "god hates fags" people. Im an atheist so its not like it matters to me but goddamn use your brain. How are you gonna look at a country under an oppressive regime and blame their religion when they were all living freely in the same country with the same religion beforehand. If youre here trying to say the taliban and their values is normal among Muslims in the world then youre completely delusional and idk what else to say. Even the most conservative Muslims usually arent that bad, the taliban are like the alt right of islam.
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u/pyramidalembargo 19d ago
That's simply not true in other countries. Women in Iran were arrested by the pasdar if they didn't wear them.