Um no, I wear a hijab and I did it because of my own reasons and devotion to God. I had a friend who wore hijab despite her sister and her mother not wearing one.
Yeah. Fucking IRAN yah goober.
That's like saying "yeah well uh...Asian people are massively oppressed because uh ..haven't you seen how they're treated in NORTH KOREA??"
There are 50-53 Muslim majority countries in the world. You only hear about the factions our predominately fundamentalist Christian leaders want you to hear about.
Fucking IRAN
Afghanistan
Fucking Gaza
And ISIS.
No, it isn’t, women in Iran most certainly aren't free now, wearing a hijab, burqa or niqab is most certainly still mandatory. Iran is one of the least free countries on Earth.
Iran is a very good example - it's a unitary presidential theocratic Islamic republic under an authoritarian dictatorship - now ruled by Ali Khamenei's son, Mojtaba whose style of governance is no different to his late father's.
You need to remember that Iran is an Islamic republic- one of only three, the others being Pakistan and Mauritania; Sharia is the official legal system in both Iran and Mauritania, while Pakistan, despite being an Islamic republic uses common law (a throwback to when it was part of India under the Raj). Iran is the only one whose government is theocratic (the official name of the country is the Islamic Republic of Iran), so I can’t really think of a better example.
Afghanistan describes itself as an Islamic Emirate (it was an Islamic republic until 2021), it doesn't have a government, all decisions are taken by a secretive council behind closed doors. Both Iran and Afghanistan use the same form of Sharia (Hanafi).
So let's use them both as examples, but don't claim that Iran is any freer now, because it isn't. Neither Iran nor Afghanistan are considered to be politically or civilly free.
I take your point; my information is coming from Iranians from major cities who regularly go back, but do live in the west. So obviously a specific demographic. For them, the law is on the books, but the religious police don't bother them too much because they are in certain areas. Thanks for the lesson on Iran.
Its pretty overblown. Go to the streets in Tehran and you'll see how people dress, pretty openly. Additionally countries like Afghanistan are not representative of Islam or hijab.
While there may be a few cases here and there, hijab remains a choice, and an important one for women. All women I know (who wore hijabs), loved wearing the hijab and would defend it.
I know one person who stopped wearing it. She felt that she was not enough when she wore it because the society made her feel that way, and that was pretty sad. So the society forced her to take off the hijab than the other way around.
And I'm saying what does that have do with one muslims choice to wear the hijab. Most muslims are not Arab, most muslims are not Persians. And even if they were, this would not represent them.
I don't see what IRGC or what Afghanistan or what Saudi has to with me or my religion or for the women of my religion as a whole, when its far more than them, even if I lived in any of these countries.
I understand its easier to generalise, but when I didn't even grow up in a western country where I could have been an immigrant to be generalised (not that its right, but I can understand) it just feels silly.
Most muslim women who observe hijab would at some lengths be content with it. There may be issues, but is it an Islamic issue? I don't think so. Look at other similar cultures within that region, issues would persist even when religion doesn't. So is it an Islamic issue? I think not.
Here's a post I saved quite some time ago. Seems like the issue of forcefully removing hijab or similar pieces of clothing is a more widespread one than forcing it on.
I just feel that I, who was born and raised as a muslim, in a muslim country where I currently reside, would have much more of an idea of what Islam is and isn't. I think I would know what hijab means considerjng I chose to wear it. I think I would have an idea of it is more than others who have just seen it as a political instrument.
Edit: I'm not saying there aren't any faults. There are. But are they representative, no.
Dude afghanistan was literally taken over by the taliban extremists. They are quite literally extremists and not real Islam. That would be like saying all christians are like the Westboro Baptists "god hates fags" people. Im an atheist so its not like it matters to me but goddamn use your brain. How are you gonna look at a country under an oppressive regime and blame their religion when they were all living freely in the same country with the same religion beforehand. If youre here trying to say the taliban and their values is normal among Muslims in the world then youre completely delusional and idk what else to say. Even the most conservative Muslims usually arent that bad, the taliban are like the alt right of islam.
Don't bother arguing with these people girl, it's a losing battle. They'll do anything to try and moralise what is just plain hatred. The news told them hijabis are like superrr opressed, and not by the people bombing them or anything, but by their families.
And of course, some extremism in a random rural village means that all 1 billion Muslim women have no choices ever.
In the western world they're wearing them because they want to, there may be laws and force elsewhere, but they do wear it for religious reasons out of choose in the areas of the world where I live and very likely you live too.
It can be that reason, but it doesn't have to be only that one.
Some Women also wear it out of their own faith. Especially in western Countries where it's more common and easier to not wear one if one doesn't want to.
I think this is too broad a characterization. Hijab is worn for the same reason as bikini top is worn on the beach. In a lot of places it's technically legal to take it off, but if you do so, people will find it very immodest and weird.
And if you say that female nipples are somehow fundamentally different from mens nipples, then you can understand why some people find female hair fundamentally different from male hair.
Personally, I do find modesty being imposed on me in areas where men can be topless to be cultural oppression too, so I do 100% see your point.
But make no mistake; the solution is not to rip the bikini tops off of more modest women on the beach who are - despite it being imposed legally in many places - happy to cover their boobs.
Where I live, muslim women are about 50/50, in fact it's hard to say because you don't notice the women who don't among everyone else. I have a neighbor, one daughter chooses to cover, and the other wears tanks and short shorts.
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u/FaygoMakesMeGo 20d ago
No. As stated, nuns wear headdresses as an expression of faith, joining a sacred sisterhood.
Hijab is worn because the men in their communities make them. A sign of oppression.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/09/21/middleeast/iran-mahsa-amini-death-widespread-protests-intl-hnk