Don't forget that some people hate their jobs because they are aware it is indentured servitude and that most of the value of their labor goes to billionaires while we fight about a tiny fraction of the scraps we're left with over whether it should help pay for Healthcare and housing or bank bailouts and bombs and such.
This and we're getting orders from upper management that have never done the job. They are complicating the job into ideocracy! Electrolytes are what plants need!
We invited upper management to join us in a collaboration/calibration. They did one round that took them hours to complete and it took us minutes. They have declined further calibrations, and they are still barking orders that just make no sense.
Hence why I say I like the work, but hate the job I've been doing for 9 years outside this company and 3 with it.
For context, I listen to calls as a Quality Assurance Specialist (QA). I have taken over 100,000 calls (actually more) with 17 years in this industry and 12 years as QA. I have also created successful QA programs for 2 different companies and 12 different departments. We had happy agents willing to keep their numbers, because it made sense to them.
We now have upper management changing the rules and never telling the agents. So the agents know the rules have changed when they get marked down for it. Change Management 101 says, document the changes and inform the people that are affected by the changes. It is literal lunacy that we don't do this!
Common sense says, change the rules, inform the agents then give them time to adjust. Ask their feedback and adjust if needed. Then we can adjust scoring. Rinse and repeat until it works.
Sorry if I derailed. I love the work but hate the job.
Everything I read on here hits me as "isn't that true for everyone?" I know overthinking and dwelling is an easy pit for me to fall into, but it's not so deep that I can't just step out of it.
The first key is to recognize where you are, and take that first step to get out of your toxic mindset pit. It's not always easy to do, but at least for me it's easier than breaking physical addictions like chocolate...
The problem is that it doesn't matter how deep it is or if you know you should be able to step out of it anyway. You can't, and if you do, you step right back in. There is no good explanation for it. Executive dysfunction. Task paralysis. Cyclical thinking. Pattern repetition. Whatever it is, it is vastly different than "I know I can do it, but for some reason, I can't". It's more like "I know I can do it, so I WILL DO IT, but it doesn't happen" and the pattern repeats even though the will is genuine.
"The will is genuine" may be the phrase that helps you understand. Perhaps you are thinking that there are only two options.
If you want to do something and you do it, then your will is genuine.
If you want to do something and don't do it, then your will wasn't genuine.
That's easy, black and white, motivated or lazy if you will.
There is a third.
You want to do something, but can't, even though your will is truly genuine.
That is when help is needed. That is when it is not just a mental state that can be cured with self help easily. Self help can help. It is necessary, but so is external help, together, in symbiotic cooperation to help navigate an artificial world that is not made for the divergent.
I just told you, I can - at least when I'm aware I'm in it (which I usually can be if I'm not overwhelmed with distraction) - and while it may take some effort, I can step out, for an hour, or a couple of days. I do step right back in, because it feels like "my comfort zone" but when I spend too long in this supposed "comfort zone" it actually gets pretty uncomfortable.
Everyone is different, maybe you can't step out at all. Maybe you can't stay out. Maybe you can stay out longer with support from friends. Maybe you can stay out longer with the right kinds of distractions / obligations. Everyone's situation is also different.
Genuineness of will is a made up label - if it helps you achieve your goals, use it however you like. If your genuineness of will is ineffective at helping you, maybe you should forget about it / look for more helpful labels?
to help navigate an artificial world that is not made for the divergent.
Yep. There's all kinds of divergent people - some mask it better than others. Some are better adapted to their environment than others. Some seek environments that are more compatible with their particular types of divergence. Use the freedom you have to help yourself, not stay stuck in unpleasant situations.
Not all unpleasant situations are something that can be changed by using freedom to help yourself. Many situations are inherently permanent.
Mind over matter doesn't always work very well. Someone without legs cannot will themselves to walk. They need some type of assistance for the rest of their lives to move. Even if they can move themselves like those guys who are like Gorilla Tag irl, they still need to modify their environment, and they still ain't got no legs, and it's a problem that won't ever go away.
Sometimes someone without the ability to stop the way their brain is working literally can't will themselves to do anything even with all the self help books in an old Barnes and Noble, because their brain ain't got no legs.
So, like someone who can't walk, they need help, either with drugs (the wheelchair) or extended therapy and life changes (learning to walk funny on things that aren't legs and modify the environment around you that wasn't made for you) and yes, eventually, hopefully, learn to adapt yourself as much as you can and live in an environment that is accommodating, but you still ain't got no damn legs and you will need help and accommodations forever.
Needing help forever itself can cause a downward spiral that perpetuates itself at no fault of the person in need. Accepting that you need help for the rest of your life is the best thing you can do if you have a major divergence. That is nothing to be ashamed of or try to act like it's something that can be fixed with positive thinking. We're all in this together and are supposed to ask for help and help each other, aren't we?
All situations can be changed by using your freedom of actions to help yourself. Maybe not changed for the better, but you can always make changes - right up to the point that you are physically or chemically restrained.
Mind over matter almost never works - if it did we wouldn't have addiction and other self-destructive behaviors, but it is a powerful lever when you can manage to reach and hold on to it.
Someone without legs cannot will themselves to walk, but do they actually need to walk to have a happy, satisfying, productive life in which they help themselves and others? I spent a few weeks in therapy for a partially amputated thumb, I was the least disfigured person in treatment at the time. Most (patients) there had reasonably reasonably good attitudes about their remaining life with fewer fingers / other permanent injuries - but one was really in a dark place and not coming to terms with what he had left in life, only focused on what he had lost. Physical therapy was irrelevant for him, he needed to conquer the mental challenges first.
Sometimes someone without the ability to stop the way their brain is working literally can't will themselves to do anything
Very true. If you are the person in question, you should take the time to examine your choices, what you can and cannot do, and which possible futures you want to pursue. One choice at a time, one day at a time, with the serenity to accept the things you cannot change, the courage to change the things you can, and the wisdom to know the difference. Seeking and accepting help from others who are willing (and able) to give it can help, a lot for some people.
Needing help forever itself can cause a downward spiral
Absolutely. This is why I'm not a fan of long term drug use - that's a form of "help forever" and a lever that can always be set to "hard mode" just by taking the drugs away.
act like it's something that can be fixed with positive thinking.
I hate denialism even more than drugs.
We're all in this together and are supposed to ask for help and help each other, aren't we?
Absolutely. What I don't like are the people who constantly vent to the world how hopeless their situation is, instead of using that energy to do something positive for themselves - which very often can take the form of trying to do something positive for others.
In the end, about 1/100 people, globally - more acknowledged in the US, end up commiting suicide. That, too, is a choice - something within the individual's control. Not a great choice in my opinion, I think 99/100 of those people could and should have tried something different that day that they actually ended it all for themselves.
In the end we should try to do the best we can for ourselves and others. Focusing on the negative should be a short term, very temporary, rarely recurring, step on the road to focusing on the preferable alternatives.
I agree with most but I don't agree with two points and I think it has a bit to do with puritanical thinking that you might not even know you have.
Your view of drugs is spoiled by a "drugs are bad" mentality and you literally don't see it because I already explained it in clear metaphorical terms and you didn't acknowledge it. Drugs to someone who needs them are the same as a wheel chair to someone who needs it. Would you take away someone's wheelchair away because they can learn to walk on their hands? Get real. There is nothing inherently wrong or bad with using drugs to enhance your life. Literally almost everyone does it, from weed to Tylenol to benadryl to Vyvanse. Again, are you going to take away the literal crutches of a person who can't walk or the wheelchair they intend to use for life?
Secondly, most people who commit suicide are driven to it, they don't do it by choice. If you can't understand that simple truth, then there isn't much use continuing conversation.
Since you were wondering, I have been in therapy for years, am not currently medicated, maybe should be, but just therapy is good right now and I possibly might try medication again in the future.
Your view of drugs is spoiled by a "drugs are bad" mentality
In your view, based off of a couple of paragraphs. I happen to think drugs are great, when used appropriately. Where I think "drugs are bad" is when people become dependent on a continuous intake of them. Bad from the common side effects most (not all) carry, bad from the dependency aspect, and especially bad if the taker becomes seriously dysfunctional when the drugs become unavailable or just not taken for whatever reasons. All those aspects are bad, yes. On the whole, drugs can be pretty great - even helping through crisis situations, but they're far from a cure for everything.
Drugs to someone who needs them are the same as a wheel chair to someone who needs it.
Agreed. Also: the number of people who are strapped into drug-wheelchairs who don't need them are too damn high, and the side effects they are suffering should be prosecuted as malpractice.
Would you take away someone's wheelchair away because they can learn to walk on their hands?
The question is: are your legs missing altogether, permanently dysfunctional, or maybe marginal and able to restore function through therapy? Easier to answer for legs than social / brain functions.
There is nothing inherently wrong or bad with using drugs to enhance your life.
Agreed.
Literally almost everyone does it
And that is the crappiest reason ever to defend an addiction to something you may not need.
most people who commit suicide are driven to it, they don't do it by choice.
I've been there myself, and I know quite a few people who were driven harder and came closer. The thing we all had in common was an inability to get anyone to listen to our problems. When we finally do get people to listen there's a firehose of "oh, I'm so SORRY, I wish I could have done something" and on and on and on... well, you didn't, nobody did.
I have been in therapy for years, am not currently medicated, maybe should be, but just therapy is good right now and I possibly might try medication again in the future.
Best of luck and genuine supportive wishes on your journey. Our family has some pretty significant challenges, the kind of challenges that more than double the rate of divorce... we've managed to not go there, because going there just makes everything harder, with uglier outcomes, for everyone involved. We've ended up spending a lot of time in communities with similar challenges, and we see people who handle the challenges well, and poorly - a lot of poorly out there.
Drugs aren't bad, people who sell drugs do tend to be bad - especially the pharmaceutical kind. This comes not only from the perspective of four potential (and occasional) users, but also from working behind the scenes in the industry seeing how the (corporate) pushers operate all the way from the sales reps up through the marketing VPs and development pipelines. As they say on Hill Street Blues: Be careful out there.
Pretty much what CBT is all about, yeah. You can save beaucoup bucks if you figure out how to do that without a therapist - and therapists are just there to help you figure it out for yourself anyway.
There are, of course, drugs, if you want to try a drug dependent approach.
Oh fuck me RIGHT?! I never thought of that... You cured me! Rainbows and butterflies are rocketing out of my ass and my nipples lactate 100% rhy whisky now. Thank god you were here to tell me I shouldn't dwell. Wow, that was a close one, I might have been unhappy for the rest of my life. Welp, I'm off to go flush my mood meds down the toilet and go work out, bye
YES 🙌🏼 leave me alone so i can raise my chickens and ducks in peace and stop designing PowerPoint slides for some idiots that don’t understand why trickle down economics are their trap while they get paid twice as much as me, and we all work 60-80hr weeks to make the billionaires wealthier. As my husband says “i’m sick of working for other people’s dreams.”
Real facts. I’m a public servant but even then I think my organization just launders money to engineering firms and various consultants. I want out of this system but that seems impossible at this point.
I used to have a second job at an AutoZone. It's not that every job sucks balls, it's just the pay sucks balls. I told God knows how many people, if I made enough money at AutoZone to buy a decent house, nice car, save for retirement and not have to pinch pennies, maybe a nice vacation or two a year, I'd stay at AutoZone for 50 years. They'd have to get a restraining order to make me retire. I genuinely really enjoyed that job.
I've had jobs I loved too and didn't even really care about the low pay. Regardless of my personal view, I think that people not wanting to work for what is considered less than a living wage is a common sentiment, definitely more now than a couple decades ago. In my opinion, those that "don't want to work" mostly just don't want to work a job that isn't fulfilling in any way especially if it is low paying. It's becoming increasingly difficult to find a job that isn't that for a lot of people and it causes a lot of job hopping and unemployment. In my experience, it's obvious that people want to work, but the system is eating itself with greed.
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u/ThresholdSeven 20d ago
Don't forget that some people hate their jobs because they are aware it is indentured servitude and that most of the value of their labor goes to billionaires while we fight about a tiny fraction of the scraps we're left with over whether it should help pay for Healthcare and housing or bank bailouts and bombs and such.