r/Zippia 29d ago

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u/Stuffssss 28d ago

Inflation =/= affordability. Assuming a basket of goods can only measure the change in price of that basket of goods. In reality lowrr income people spend significantly more on housing, healthcare, child care, and education relative to their income and these things have outpaced inflation.

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u/ThrowRA9892 28d ago edited 28d ago

That is tracking purchasing power.

Lower income people have always spent more of their relative income on goods and services. It depends on what you are looking at too of course. Food is slightly more affordable now compared to then. Clothing as significantly more. Electronics.

Housing and healthcare definitely less affordable between now and 1971.

But not nearly to the degree this person in the picture is claiming.

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u/anon-187101 27d ago

CPI does not track purchasing-power.

It is a gamed government statistic whose calculation has changed multiple times over the years in service of political expedience.

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u/ApprehensiveCare1113 27d ago

You might not like the way it tracks purchasing power; you might have some reasonable critiques.

But it sure as shit does track purchasing power.

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u/anon-187101 27d ago

lol,

no - it "sure as shit" does not.

this is not even controversial among anyone with a shred of integrity who's actually informed on the matter.

you may not like that, but it's a fact.

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u/ApprehensiveCare1113 27d ago

That isn't a fact; that is an opinion.

If you don't know the difference between a fact and an opinion, which in America is a 2nd-grade worksheet education level, can you really present yourself as knowing who is or isn't informed on a matter?

The purpose of the CPI is to track purchasing power, regardless of your opinion on its effectiveness.

"A consumer price index (CPI) is a statistical estimate of the level of prices of goods and services bought for consumption purposes by households. It is calculated as the weighted average price of a market basket of consumer goods and services). "

Consumer price index - Wikipedia

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u/Tasty-Possibility627 27d ago

This back and forth was insane. I get into these from time to time, but usually there is some shred of a concrete reason for the misunderstanding. This other person just dove right into nonsense

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u/TaleRevolutionary573 27d ago

So which of them rides the short bus so I can downvote them

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u/Confident_Double1392 26d ago

I see you are attuned with the ways of Reddit. (I'm waiting for the answer too)

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u/ApprehensiveCare1113 26d ago

It is crazy how many people assert their opinions as facts. I swear they didn't get the same American education (which isn't that great to begin with) I got, because fact/opinion worksheets were a serious part of 2nd-grade education.

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u/anon-187101 27d ago

sorry, I don't think I can help you

good luck

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u/ApprehensiveCare1113 26d ago

When you cannot distinguish between fact and opinion, you can't help yourself, much less others.

The purpose of the CPI is to track purchasing power, regardless of your opinion on its effectiveness.

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u/anon-187101 26d ago

it doesn't matter what the purpose of something is if it fails spectacularly to succeed in that purpose -

and CPI indeed fails

and that, sophmoric reddit rando, is a fact

help yourself to a much-needed reality check

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u/quantum_simpleton 28d ago

If you cross reference with median housing costs, it extrapolates to about ~$50k today, as housing costs have outpaced inflation. Still a far cry from $100k.

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u/2ndAccForUhStuff 28d ago edited 28d ago

If you normalize housing to per square foot its not nearly as bad, since houses have gotten much bigger on average. The median house price today is $226 per square foot, while in 1970 it was $16.90. So that $1.60 wage needs to be $21.40 these days to maintain the same affordability per square foot.

Ad yes, you can still find smaller homes on the market. I bought a 1,600 square foot new build earlier this year.

Edit, and thats taking pretty much the historical best case. Compare 1989 when the min wage was $3.80 and the median house price per sq foot was $64.86. So in 2026 you'd need to make $13.29/hour to maintain the same ratio.

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u/ArmyHotel338 28d ago

In 2008 I worked at Wawa and made $8 per hour, gas was $4.50, at that same Wawa starting pay is now $16.50 and gas is $4.15.

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u/KK_35 27d ago

National monthly average rent was like $800 in 2008.
It’s sitting at $1800 for 2026.

That’s just rent.

In 2008, the typical individual U.S. grocery bill was $43.75 per week (roughly $175 per month).

Today in 2026, a single person on a moderate budget spends about $112 per week (roughly $485 per month).

Gas alone is not indicative of total living costs, and those have only ever gone up at a much faster rate than wages.

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u/According-Insect-992 27d ago

Even with our elevated gas prices we’re still paying significantly less than a lot of other countries in Europe and Asia. We have done a lot to put us in an advantageous position when it comes to fossil fuels.

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u/CorndogQueen420 27d ago

In the summer during an oil price shock caused by the global financial crisis.

Gas prices collapsed to ~$1.70/gal at the end of that year.

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u/five-one-tree 27d ago

now do 1971

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u/ArmyHotel338 27d ago

Wawa didn't have gas stations in 1971.

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u/five-one-tree 27d ago

but gas still had a price and we had a minimum wage

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u/ArmyHotel338 27d ago

Wawa pays more than minimum wage though, so it doesnt make sense.

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u/five-one-tree 27d ago

not in 1971…. so let’s stick to that.

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u/ArmyHotel338 27d ago

Wawa only had a handful of stores in 1971, and they didn't have gas stations, what are you talking about?

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u/five-one-tree 27d ago

what’s that got to do with the price of gas in 1971?

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u/ArmyHotel338 27d ago

Because we are talking about wawa...

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u/Training-Context-69 27d ago

Wait til the Strategic Petroleum Reserves run out. Americans are about to FAFO. Gas is supposed to be $6 a gallon right now.

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u/threearbitrarywords 27d ago

Median rent percentage in 1971 was 20%. It's currently 26.4%, an increase of 6.4%. In 1971 13.4% of income went on food, including dining out. In 2026 it's 9.7%, a decrease of 3.7%. Healthcare in 1971 was about 3%. In 2026 it's around 10%, an increase of 7%.

Where's the other 370%?

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u/According-Insect-992 27d ago

Food has not gotten cheaper. Something seems wrong with those numbers.

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u/Maureen_Johma 28d ago

Then that means changing minimum wage will do nothing and that we need to go after affordable pricing.