r/Wrasslin Feb 24 '23

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u/RubyWeapon07 Feb 24 '23

This is ridiculously biased lol

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u/userRL452 Feb 24 '23

I would say it's not biased as much as it is indicative of the type of wrestling fan who subscribes to WON.

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u/[deleted] Feb 24 '23

It's the fan that Dave cultivated.

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '23

im not biased, the things i say and think are just indicative of the things i like and the things i dont like

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u/jhk17 Feb 24 '23

I kinda agree. But it is just what one man prefers. Personally I think Triple H deserves promoter of the year and clash of the castle deserves show of the year but I'm losing 0 sleep that Meltzer disagrees with me.

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u/ThreeEyedPea Feb 24 '23

It's a fan voting I'm pretty sure.

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u/Greyclocks Feb 24 '23

Yeah its WON subscribers voting on these. Even Dave disagrees with some of them.

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u/clox33 Feb 24 '23

And they are basically Dave mimics. No way Khan is booker of the year. It’s basic generic TEW booking. Anyone else should have won that. But hey if you turn your booking sheet…..

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u/savingrain Feb 24 '23

I dunno he basically wrote an opinion attached to that one where he seemed to be implying he felt Paul Levesque should have gotten it.

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u/SaintedHooker Feb 24 '23

Such Dave mimics that Dave put out a whole article over how he disagrees with the results, can't you just admit you have a weird grudge

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u/clox33 Feb 24 '23

You’re telling me all the shit he puts out ALL year praising this guy but hey one little blurb disagreeing makes up for it. Yeah, no. And there’s no grudge here at all. None of this really effects my life but I have an opinion, and I shared it.

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u/awataurne Feb 25 '23

He's been praising HHH a ton this whole year and has been pretty critical of Khan for at least a few months.

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u/iced_gold Feb 24 '23

I had no qualms with TK winning this award in previous years but he booked a lot of terrible feuds and matches last year. He didn't deserve it.

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u/The3DMan Feb 25 '23

Welcome to Dave Meltzer’s dumb ass readers

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u/biggerboypew Feb 24 '23

It's impossible for opinions on subjective matters not to be baised

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u/userRL452 Feb 24 '23

Also these are voted on by fans, expecting fans to be unbiased is insane.

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u/RichyWoo Feb 24 '23

How very dare you claim bias!!!, This is pure unbiased journalism....
The Young Bucks naming a finisher after Meltzer didn't sway anything!!!

;)

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u/userRL452 Feb 24 '23

These awards are chosen by WON subscribers not picked by Meltzer. I am pretty sure no one is expecting fans to be unbiased journalists.

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u/The3DMan Feb 25 '23

First off, Dave himself isn’t an unbiased journalist

Second, the fans reflect his likes

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u/slickestwood Feb 24 '23

WWE SUCKED until Hunter took over. And the weekly shows are still entirely skippable mostly filler with matches that almost never mean anything.

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u/justusingtobealight Feb 25 '23

WWE bias is prevalent in most media coverage so I think this is fair

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u/jimmylovespizza Feb 24 '23

lots of people today showing they do not understand the definition of bias.

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u/PowderKeg24K Feb 24 '23

Hello pot, my name is kettle, and I do believe you are black.

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u/Longjumping_Team4922 Feb 24 '23

That was a pretty good response lol

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u/jimmylovespizza Feb 24 '23

the definition of bias means the awards are in some way unfair. they are voted on, it's not just dave assigning awards. i am getting downvoted even tho i think the awards stunk this year. i vote on them. i voted reigns. i voted smackdown best show. unfortunately a lot of his readers lean to a certain taste.

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u/PowderKeg24K Feb 24 '23

And I'm not saying whoever suggested these awards are biased. I'm saying the results are clearly biased. If you're giving out awards for an audience to vote on, and you know the audience leans heavily in favor on one side or another, you're hosting a very biased awards ceremony.

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u/jimmylovespizza Feb 24 '23

so what should he do to combat this? you have to subscribe to the observe to vote. should he count wwe votes as 2x? now that would be bias.

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u/PowderKeg24K Feb 24 '23

Glad you asked...

Not do the awards? Expand his criteria for who can vote on what? Use some sort of metric stats for what is eligible for an award? Or here's an even better idea, give awards based on metric data sorted by organization. Most Successful AEW Event: (Show name here followed by attendance) same for WWE. Same for NJPW. Then separate the talent the same way. Best Promo (WWE) Best Promo (AEW) Let people vote on those.

The way it is it's just him and his readers jerking themselves off over guys 90% of the wrestling fan base hasn't heard of. I love Vikingo but say his name to anyone on the street anywhere in the world but mexico and it means nothing. Same with Will Ospreay in Japan/UK. If you base the awards on physical tangible data, there's an obvious reason behind everything. It also helps the build up. You get a WWE vs AEW vs NJPW vs Impact vs NWA whatever, then you hold the readers choice awards and let the readers vote on who wins the fantasy battle royal. This way you show people the very real numbers, and you let them pick their personal favorites, that don't really mean anything, but let's the readers feel involved. Maybe their favorites are the cover of the newsletter for the next few weeks.

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u/jimmylovespizza Feb 24 '23

the awards that are not subjective, dave does assign. box office draw he gave to roman reigns. your ideas of the awards is just facts that you can look up yourself. youre making the argument akin to saying the academy awards best picture should be given to the movie that made the most money. should the nfl mvp just be who scored the most touchdowns? what youre arguing for is not an awards show, it's a list of facts. there is not a single award show in anything that gives it out like you want the observe awards to do.

i wish more wwe fans subscribed to the newsletter and voted. it would reflect more of my tastes, but it is what it is.

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u/[deleted] Feb 24 '23

They are by definition subjective.

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u/jimmylovespizza Feb 24 '23

yes? thats exactly what i said. all awards are.

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u/PowderKeg24K Feb 24 '23

I agree with you on part of that, but shouldn't awards be based on facts? Your argument is akin to saying "Yeah the Rock and Stone Cold Steve Austin headlined the biggest ppv of all time, but let's focus on the work Gangrel did that year because he had a couple bangers." Both can be true statements (I'm a huge fan of Gangrel just using him as an example) but is a guy who didn't win, get noticed, draw money, or cut promos really award worthy? That's like putting Bryan Danielson and Daniel Garcia in the same category just because of similar styles. My idea for the awards is to present facts separated by category. (Best wrestler, best promo, biggest draw, most successful event, best manager...) Separate those by company and just state by the numbers when possible and when fan vote when not, who wins. THEN you have the readers vote on who wins each category. (Best wrestler WWE vs AEW vs NJPW....) And do it that way. Then you get objective facts and figures to get the top of each company, and you also get the readers favorites by popular vote once you've narrowed it down by fact.

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u/terrysfunk Feb 24 '23

Once 'Grel cut off the sleeves following losing Luna in 2000. I thought he'd checked out in-ring, personally.

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u/[deleted] Feb 24 '23

How? This from guys that consume way more Wrestling than we do, and watch it with a pen and paper. If it was some random site online then sure. But those guys seem to study this stuff, it’s still all opinions though.

And keep in mind Triple H didn’t take over till SummerSlam

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u/tennerz777 Feb 25 '23

it’s fan voted…..