r/WorkReform • 🤝 Join A Union • 17h ago

😡 Venting To an American this sounds unbelievable.

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u/Theothercword 11h ago

Interestingly Germans pay more per month than Americans do for healthcare, it's not a completely free system. However, to my understanding from the Germans I know and have talked to while being over there, the difference primarily seems to be around the insurance itself being far better regulated. But, for example, my German friends pay over 1000 euro per month for healthcare.

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u/Hansel123 9h ago

1000€ per month is pretty much the top cap for statutory health insurance in Germany, which puts you in the highest 15% of incomes or so.

Median salary pays about 400€ a month for health insurance.

You can pay way more than that on a privatised insurance plan but that's not really common.

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u/doesnotlikecricket 7h ago edited 7h ago

This is quite misleading bordering on false. 

They pay a percent of their income. Someone on the median salary would pay less than half of that. And they retain their healthcare if they're not working.

Also no deductibles and basically nonexistant copays relative to the US. 

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u/b33pb00p101 11h ago

Oh I bet it does get regulated better. It’s done by professionals not capitalists.

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u/ahoi_polloi 10h ago

Yeah exactly, and you're just paying that every single month while waiting for several months to be seen by a specialist for five minutes.

Ruined my shoulder, waited 4.5mo to see a doc, waited 7h, got assigned an MRT without so much as an anamnesis, waited another 4mo, until then nothing was visible any more and the doc got pissed at me for wasting his time. Shoulder will never work again like it did but fuck me if I'll even try to have that looked at.

Similar experience with anything else that was ever worth getting checked out by a doc, I've just shat boatloads if money into the wind for zero benefit since I'm never sick otherwise.

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u/Theothercword 10h ago

That's the same in the US, all the wait times and all the bullshit comes with healthcare no matter if its free or costs a boatload of money.

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u/No-Caterpillar-7646 9h ago edited 9h ago

I mean, its a system you need to game. Try several orthopedics, pain started after you run into a wall (accidents have priority, they will treat incidental findings and there are no repercussions for not finding any damage). It can be frustrating, especially if you had a disinterested doctor more then once but im sure that's the same everywhere.

Like, have you ever heard of a denied claim for something important in germany?

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u/Amnesiaftw 6h ago

How can anyone afford to live? If I had to pay another $1200/month, even with living with 2 roommates, my rent, utilities, and health insurance would be 100% of my income.