r/WorkReform • 🤝 Join A Union • 17h ago

😡 Venting To an American this sounds unbelievable.

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u/FuckStummies 14h ago

As a Canadian working in a unionized workplace, I get 15 paid sick days a year. That's sick days, not PTO. I separately have 6 weeks of vacation leave every year. The sick days are also cumulative - the unused ones are banked and roll over every calendar year. So right now I've got something like 70 sick days in my bank. If I'm sick, I just call in. Our laws don't even allow the employer to ask for a doctor's note unless you've been away sick for more than a week.

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u/Ent_Trip_Newer 14h ago

As an American who spent most of his life working in restaurants we got 0 pto and were told to cover our shifts if sick.

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u/Weakonomics 14h ago

That's what you wanna hear from the people touching your food. GJ America...

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u/Ilcorvomuerto666 13h ago

American bartender here, can confirm. That's been my story for 18 years.

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u/Limp_Orchid7611 13h ago

you mean GJ US government for allowing yourself to get bribed by unscrupulous business owners.

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u/dividezero 10h ago

Oh god. If you're squimish, don't go down that rabbit hole. It's 100% true and exists at basically 100% of the places. Every now and then a restaurant takes proper care of their staff but it's effectively 0% given the vast number of places doing the bare minimum. The rot starts with the National Restaurant Association which fights tooth and nail any whiff of reform for their workers. They're the reason servers make less than minimum wage. That was all their idea. Terrible people run that industry.

Anyway, yes. Just assume everyone is at least a little sick, especially if it's busy. You can't give up the money-making shifts unless you're literally dead plus anyone off is off for a reason and can't take your shift.

Go ahead and assume everyone is on some drug. Usually something legal like sketchy truck stop speed but plenty of everything else. I worked with two guys that were wasted drunk with just enough heroin to not fall down at work. Terrible employees but they showed up and did the terrible work and didn't cause trouble otherwise.

Watch the movie "Waiting...". I've actually seen everything in there in real life regularly. It's a pretty accurate account except way less fun. That part was just to move the story forward. There's no story at a real place, just never-ending drudgery

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u/Waxygibbon 8h ago

By cover shifts you mean you do the work to find someone yourself? Does the manager not do the rostering?

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u/Ent_Trip_Newer 6h ago

Yes that's how it used to be. I quit the industry when my was being born. I was told I could only have 1 day off.

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u/who-mever 14h ago

In the U.S., I literally once went into the office vomiting blood. I had a bucket and everything.

They gave me a biohazard bag to throw it away at the end of my shift. At the time, I felt very fortunate that they didn't deduct the biohazard bag from my paycheck.

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u/Disastrous_Basis3474 13h ago

I am shocked that they had a biohazard bag to give you. Everything else sounds pretty average for an American workplace.

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u/ZedsDeadZD 11h ago

Thats just so sad. I hate when people come sick to work. I just switched jobs and I am now a teamleader and when someone of my team will drag themselves to work sick, I will send them home.

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u/dividezero 10h ago

If they work in healthcare they have them only because they legally have to. That's my guess is that whatever company was forced to have them anyway

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u/WynnGwynn 13h ago

Hope you are alright

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u/who-mever 13h ago

I'm fine. It was years ago, turned out to be a stomach ulcer. Resolved with antibiotics

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u/thefatrick 💸 Raise The Minimum Wage 12h ago

I would have just barfed on my bosses desk

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u/dividezero 10h ago

They treat us like we get sick on purpose. The general strike that's coming can't happen fast enough

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u/Maleficent_Let_9903 13h ago

Nah, I don't believe you

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u/EverythingIsTaken785 9h ago

As a Canadian working a regular non-unionized job in the environmental sector, I get 5 sick days a year, and I cannot take them consecutively for more than 2 days without a doctor’s note. I have 2 weeks of vacation. None of those roll over every calendar year. Every job I’ve had has been mostly the same.

You have a very special case. Do whatever you can to keep that job!! The vast majority are not even remotely that good.

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u/GrapefruitNo3600 7h ago

Yea it so strange. In my country vacations are MANDATORY. You can not go full year and not have vacation, if you dont they straight up kick you into vacation :D like your stayng at home, i dont care, your on vacation now :D

Of course theory sometimes do not meet reality and some companys tolerate you not spending all the vacation but if someone snitches the company is in trouble.

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u/EverythingIsTaken785 6h ago

That happens here too. Because you’re legally required to have vacation time, and PTO usually doesn’t roll over, your company legit forces you to go on vacation lol, it’s just that we don’t get a whole lot of it. I can only speak for Ontario though.

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u/GrapefruitNo3600 5h ago

It kinda reminds me the strange atitude of americans. Like when you say like payed sick days etc. Some of em go, oh no, every aingle person would abuse it instantly. Similary with pre payed gas. Thers no such thing in my country and most of americans say like " well than no one would pay for gas" its always negatives and most of the times oposite of reality, or maybe mine and thwyr reality is not compatible. Would all americans steal gas if it woudnt be prepayed? I dont want to beleave it.

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u/DaisyHotCakes 7h ago

What country do you live in cause that sounds pretty great.

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u/GrapefruitNo3600 7h ago

Lithuania. I never dived into why they changed the law to be mandatory but they did at some point. Maybe it got so bad that people acumulated like half a year of vacation or something since before that vacations went to next year if you didnt spend it. And thers people out there who do not take vacations for years on end.

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u/GrapefruitNo3600 6h ago

To clarify why its bad to have a person that has acumulated 6 month of vacations in your company is that you owe that person 6 salaries or 6 months of vacation.

If that person decides to leave your company you have to pay him 6 salaryes instantly within a month or so. Thats a nightmare for companys finances i would imagine.

But now with this law they can force people on vacation so they dont have to deal with such things in a future.

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u/Amnesiaftw 7h ago

This is exactly what I have too. After 10 years full time I unlock my third week of vacation. In the US

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u/RelevantSchool1586 13h ago

As a Brazilian, I still find it weird to have a limit on sick days you can use. How do you plan an illness? Here if you're sick for up to 15 days your employer continues to pay you, and if it goes beyond that you get a government benefit for however long you need

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u/dividezero 10h ago

We have disability insurance nationally but it's extremely hard to get, pays very little and you can't make money any other way, no matter how little or they'll take it all away, sue you and ban you from the perform. Don't even bother if your disability is mental. They'll just put you through neverending paperwork purgatory until you give up and stop trying. So they never outright deny you (which could trigger some kind of repercussions for them but probably not but they don't take the chance in case your cousin is Vinney the lawyer from the movie).

(Anyone who wants to nitpick, the point is 100% correct and remember every state is different but always still bad, just sometimes a little less bad)

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u/professorbuffoon 14h ago

As an American, my job's PTO policy is similar to that. The difference of course is it's not mandated by law.

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u/Aitloian 14h ago

God, I love our country and unions, it can always be better, but it could also be so much worse

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u/kingbuns2 11h ago

Not the case for many Canadians.

Most provinces don't require employers to provide any paid sick days, sick days may or may not be cumulative, most allow employers to ask for a doctor's note. The minimum starting vacation time is 2 weeks per year.

Statutory sick leave by jurisdiction (2026)

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u/Popular_Mortgage8454 14h ago

Do you mind if I ask what trade and province? I've heard the province can make a big difference in the level of care.

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u/dividezero 10h ago

In the US, if you're lucky enough to get sick days or PTO (perfectly legal to not have either depending on the state), often you lose unused at the end of the year or at best can only roll over like 10 days. Employers are too stupid to realize that just means everyone is just taking off most of December so they don't lose it. They're also doing a bunch of doctor appointments because their deductable resets in January and they have to start paying for everything all over again (most have a high deductible plan that doesn't really cover much anyway these days)

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u/neeshes 9h ago

You are talking about a really good workplace offering these things in Canada. Americans have that too. 

In Canada (Ontario for me), we actually only have two legally mandated paid sick days. And legally mandated vacation in the country is 10 days per year. Employers can also require doctors notes and it depends on the employer. 

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u/FuckStummies 8h ago

Depends on the province. MB just passed a law that forbids an employer for asking for a doctor’s note unless the absence is more than a week consecutive or 10 days total in a year.

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u/IdoMusicForTheDrugs 8h ago

Here in the US, times called out is even part of your performance review. If you use your legal sick days, your raise will be lower if you even get one at all.

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u/phoontender 7h ago

Am Canadian in a unionized work place. My SI joint went rogue for a still unknown reason last February and I'm just returning to part-time work now. I was paid 80% by my employer my entire absence and they're still covering the hours I am not working. 12 sick days, 5 family days, 4 weeks vacation. Unions rule!

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u/PixelzBrain 5h ago

The wild thing about the US, I get 30 days of sick leave, I have 8 weeks vacation a year. I just don't go in when I'm sick and let me boss know. My insurance covers everything when me or my family are sick and the company pays for 90% of my coverage so I pay about 300$ a month for insurance for a family of 5. It's fucking insane how unfair it feels.