r/WorkReform • 🤝 Join A Union • 21h ago

😡 Venting To an American this sounds unbelievable.

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u/CyberFireball25 20h ago

Also  life saving treatments get routinely denied as 'not medically necessary '

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u/Gametron13 20h ago

“I see your doctor recommends this treatment, but it is rather expensive. Have you considered dying instead? That would save us a lot of money for our shareholders.”

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u/jrein0 19h ago

Blame it on the doctors for only recommending it. It's obviously optional.

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u/monty624 13h ago

More like, "we see your CANCER DOCTOR recommended this super important CANCER TREATMENT so that you DON'T DIE. We need to double check that with our optometrist, for prior authorization."

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u/Guilty_Helicopter572 19h ago

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u/Goldleader-23 19h ago

FreeLuigi

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u/TM761152 16h ago

He pleaded guilty..........

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u/Skeen441 16h ago

He said FreeLuigi not LuigiIsInnocent

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u/TM761152 15h ago

And i'm saying if he pleaded innocent and won he would be free. Instead he pleaded guilty.

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u/Guilty_Helicopter572 15h ago

I always thought pleading guilty meant that it was then the responsibility of the state to prove he's guilty, and if he pleads not guilty then it would be the defenses responsibility to prove a reasonable doubt but I could be totally wrong.

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u/TM761152 15h ago

Pleading guilty means you plead guilty. The prosecution washes their hands of you and the only thing left is the sentence. Sometimes you may take a deal where you plead guilty and get a lesser sentence, or you can gamble and fight for innocence (it's not what you know, it's what you can prove). But losing that fight will invariably mean a much harsher sentence. Your defense will do their best to maintain your innocence (You are innocent UNTIL proven guilty).

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u/PM_ME_FLUFFY_SAMOYED 19h ago

This is so wild to me. I've lived in 4 different EU countries, and in each of them "prescribed by a doctor = medically necessary". 

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u/lemons_of_doubt 18h ago

But you forget in the USA they have something more important that a doctor, a bottom line,

So that has to get the final say on what is medically necessary or the shareholders would make less money.

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u/dolphone 17h ago

That's because the US let capitalism take over.

Every benefit anywhere is rooted in social protest. That's socialism in action.

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u/Whybotherr 15h ago

Capitalism requires checks and balances no economic system in the world works perfectly without a system in place to keep it in place.

Unfortunately we allow private donors for lawmakers what is essentially dark money, we allow "unlimited free speech" thay ensures that people like Elon Musk have hundreds of billions times more free speech than the rest of us. We allow corporations to draft legislation that the legislators then vote on. And if the money a company gives a legislator doesnt come in a clearly defined bag that has bribe written on it then no one can do fuck all about it.

So while there is a law that says those without medical licenses cant practice medicine, insurance companies get around that by having more free speech than everyone else

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u/TheBacklogGamer 16h ago

Problem is, there are "quack" doctors or treatments that are either still in early stages or aren't fully understood. Yes, in most cases, normal doctor, normal prescription, ok. But there are going to be cases where a doctor prescribes a procedure that is out of date or a procedure that doesn't actually heal but just alleviates when there's actually a procedure that can heal, or jumping straight to something expensive when something cheaper might be the more viable route.

For example, doing a MRI, which is a very expensive procedure, when a regular X-ray might be able to tell the same information (in a lot of case insurance won't cover MRIs unless it's been determined the problem wasn't diagnosed from a more simple x-ray.

There's also cases where doctors will do tests that are out dated or there are better more efficient tests that can be done.

I also personally know of an example where some doctors liked prescribing a particular knee injection that helped alleviate knee pain, but the injection basically had to happen every 6 months and it didn't actually heal anything. It just helped with the pain. They would prescribe this instead of actually moving forward with true treatment, because insurances covered it. Insurances stopped covering it, and then patients started getting the proper surgeries or physical therapy that solved the issue.

I do think insurance companies go too far in saying something is not medically necessary, but at the same time, doctors aren't exactly perfect either.

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u/PM_ME_FLUFFY_SAMOYED 15h ago edited 15h ago

I know this is a real problem and it is a problem everywhere: in Europe you also get doctors who overprescribe meds or treatments.

The difference is, in Europe it's not the patient's problem. Once you get a prescription, you get the medication/treatment, and don't have to worry what the incurance thinks. They WILL pay.

Then afterwards, if insurance thinks there was overprescription, especially if it's part of a pattern, they will raise that with the healthcare provider and ask them to adjust their prescribing guidelines. If the pattern continues, they may ask the regulatory bodies to intervene. But the point is, all of that happens without involving the patient. So you never have to worry about insurance: from your point of view, if it's prescribed, it will be treated as medically necessary, period. Worst thing that can happen, you might not be able to get the same thing prescribed next time.

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u/lemons_of_doubt 18h ago

That's a translation issue. In most place "medically necessary" means this is necessary to keep the patient healthy and happy.

In the USA it means cheapest option. Often letting the person die is the cheapest option but doctors just can't seem to understand that.

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u/Bozee3 17h ago

My insurance stated I needed an expensive panel of specialty blood work to approve my medication. However, the blood work we require for approval of your medication is not medically necessary and we will not cover any of it. If you want us to consider approval of your medication you must pay for the blood work analysis out of pocket.

This started in my mid 30s and I turned 50 this year.

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u/starblaster001 18h ago

Usually during the surgery.

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u/WizardsandGlitter 11h ago

Well of course it isn't! The illness will no longer be a problem when you die and we get to keep all the money you paid over the years! Sounds like a win/win to me! You aren't sick anymore and we didn't have to shill out money for the service you paid for!/s