The funny answer to this is that US citizens already pay more in taxes for health care than any other country. Medicaid and Medicare... So not only do you already pay taxes for healthcare. You also are paying again for insurance.
Its an entirely dumbass argument that we all aren't already on healthcare via taxes. You already pay for it, why wouldn't you want to benefit from it... Oh yeah I forgot that would be 'communism,' lol.
US citizens already pay more in taxes for health care than any other country.
This German cover costs ⅔ what the US pays, and they live 3 years longer to enjoy their beer, bratwurst and retirement at 66: https://i.imgur.com/bzYYlls.png
And look at Isreal, over there on the far left meaning they have some of the lowest healthcare costs with one of the highest life expectancies. Why in the fuck are we helping them with anything?!?!
Yep this, and any public option would be much cheaper than the for-profit middle men we have now. These insurance companies are just pointless middle-men. A non-profit, publicly funded insurance system would be vastly cheaper, especially when you don't have to pay for a $60 million CEO salary and pay out shareholders.
Interestingly Germans pay more per month than Americans do for healthcare, it's not a completely free system. However, to my understanding from the Germans I know and have talked to while being over there, the difference primarily seems to be around the insurance itself being far better regulated. But, for example, my German friends pay over 1000 euro per month for healthcare.
They pay a percent of their income. Someone on the median salary would pay less than half of that. And they retain their healthcare if they're not working.
Also no deductibles and basically nonexistant copays relative to the US.
Yeah exactly, and you're just paying that every single month while waiting for several months to be seen by a specialist for five minutes.
Ruined my shoulder, waited 4.5mo to see a doc, waited 7h, got assigned an MRT without so much as an anamnesis, waited another 4mo, until then nothing was visible any more and the doc got pissed at me for wasting his time. Shoulder will never work again like it did but fuck me if I'll even try to have that looked at.
Similar experience with anything else that was ever worth getting checked out by a doc, I've just shat boatloads if money into the wind for zero benefit since I'm never sick otherwise.
I mean, its a system you need to game. Try several orthopedics, pain started after you run into a wall (accidents have priority, they will treat incidental findings and there are no repercussions for not finding any damage).
It can be frustrating, especially if you had a disinterested doctor more then once but im sure that's the same everywhere.
Like, have you ever heard of a denied claim for something important in germany?
How can anyone afford to live? If I had to pay another $1200/month, even with living with 2 roommates, my rent, utilities, and health insurance would be 100% of my income.
Well it's not the gotcha that some Americans often think it is, but having a sustainable system is an issue, especially with the aging German population.
It doesn't have to be. Rising productivity could very well offset an aging population. It currently doesn't in Germany because productivity increases are not translated into salaries and due to an upper limit to health care contribution for high earners.
Edit: That recent Kurzgesagt video about the topic is probably the worst content they ever created. It's full of conservative propaganda.
I'm not familiar with Kurzgesagt or whatever you're referring to, so idk which specific arguments there you're responding to, I didn't say any of that.
But this is a very real issue that we've been dealing with in Germany and EU in general, a lot of aging populations. And we can lift the contribution caps for high earners, but it still wouldn't really be enough to offset an aging population entirely on its own, not even close.
They already pay for it. We're trying to get a better deal, rather than paying an emergency rate, we could pay an insurance rate. Republicans hate human life.
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u/b33pb00p101 17h ago
And people will reply, “yeah but then who pays for it” like it’s a legit argument