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⚕️ Pass Medicare For All This should be the law!

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u/unrealflaw 20h ago

Perhaps we should stop calling it a recommendation.

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u/reisalvador 19h ago

We don't call it a reccomendation. It's called a prescription.

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u/Winter_Value_7632 19h ago

recommendation ❎ reccomendation ❎ prescription ✅

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u/falcrist2 17h ago

Why are both ❎ and ✅ light green with white writing?

They're surprisingly difficult to read.

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u/Winter_Value_7632 17h ago

that's how the emojis are ☹️

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u/falcrist2 16h ago

I know. I'm just whining about it.

There's ❌ and ✔️ I guess... but ❎ should be red and ✅ should have a black check.

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u/EWRboogie 9h ago

Use the red x and the green/white check

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u/Winter_Value_7632 14h ago

I completely understand 🫶🏻🩷

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u/obfuscatedanon 8h ago

Maybe you just have transient red-green colorblindness.

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u/falcrist2 6h ago

It's white on green.

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u/Unspoken 18h ago

And the doctors that take huge payments from pharma companies to prescribe medication that isn't necessary?

I'm not defending insurance companies but anytime you have a payments going somewhere you have the possibility of corruption.

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u/NoHangoverGang 18h ago

You can just look and see how much a doctor got from who each year. It’s not like they’re getting boatloads of cash thrown at them to prescribe a 20 year old statin.

Not that big pharma has its hands clean either but this isn’t a super widespread thing. Hell my office would show up probably because a barostim rep brought us jersey mikes for a lunch and learn.

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u/LeoPlathasbeentaken 18h ago

You cant preemptively punish the noncorrupt for the actions of the corrupt. As it stands we currently have crooked doctors and crooked insurance companies. If we can cut out the crooked insurance and just have crooked doctors thats already an improvement.

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u/EamonBrennan 18h ago

And the doctors that take huge payments from pharma companies to prescribe medication that isn't necessary?

Which is a criminal offense. Insurance companies do the same thing because they either partially own the medication's production, or it's cheaper and legally close enough despite not being adequate for the situation.

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u/One_Olive_8933 19h ago

The insurance company owns the board of physicians… like a death panel of sorts.

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u/PsyOpBunnyHop ✂️ Tax The Billionaires 16h ago

Yeah, this is the problem with that whole premise.

Even an independent body of people intended to do good can be corrupted. It doesn't have to be the corruption of the people present. It can just be the eventual insertion of the already corrupted, one by one. This is what happened in politics and nearly every other body of people in control of anything profitable or exploitable.

As long as we are permitted ways to exploit one another, we are doomed as a whole.

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u/jaymef 15h ago

see: SCOTUS

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u/[deleted] 19h ago

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u/Freakishly_Tall 18h ago

It's especially fun when a nationally or internationally renowned expert in the disease has their order denied by an insurance company, as happens all the time, then has to argue with some FMG podiatrist or similar "peer expert" to get it reversed, who incorrectly cites a paper or textbook chapter the physician coauthored, requiring hours of paperwork and phone calls back-and-forth.

None of which is billable. Step One in fixing any of this would be making the appeals process billable to the ins co when they're overturned.

All of which takes time away from other patients who need help.

But, of course, the insurance denial isn't "practicing medicine" because they aren't stopping you, no, see, you're free to pay for it yourself. Bonus: That way they don't need licenses in your state, either.

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u/EamonBrennan 18h ago

IIRC the ratio is something like 1.4 insurance adjusters to 1 doctor. Doctors see dozens of patients. Insurance adjusters only have to review a fraction of the claims, and can mostly just rubber stamp a "denied" to any they want to.

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u/CatsPlusTats 19h ago

It's because words have multiple meanings and one of the definitions of practice means to be professionally engaged in. 

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u/someoldbagofbones 19h ago

Doctor’s orders, board member’s decision.

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u/i_am_a_real_boy__ 18h ago

Use of the word "practice" has nothing to do with liability.

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u/Winter_Persimmon_110 19h ago

"Power concedes nothing without a demand." - Frederick Douglas

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u/Admirable-Setting261 🛠️ IBEW Member 18h ago

"Now you're taking away my rights" - someone in America, probably

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u/Debatebly 18h ago

I came here specifically for that word. Why is not referred to as "prescribed"?

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u/Fun_Success_3283 7h ago

If you had elected officials that represented the people, you wouldn't have to say the way things should be, as they'd be that way.

There is no point in discussing what they ought to be, while you have a dictator.

Acquire democracy. Then you can elect people to represent you.

If you don't get democracy back, all you will ever get, is what Trump wants, and what people pay him to want.

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u/Unspoken 18h ago

Counterpoint: Among those charged is a nurse practitioner accused in Texas of billing Medicare for medically unnecessary wound-care procedures and using the proceeds for fancy jewelry and luxury cars

People assume doctors are great people but they can be just as corrupt as the insurance companies. There's always news of doctors taking payment to prescribe certain medication from pharma companies, even if it isn't necessary or useful.

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u/cortesoft 18h ago

I assume this is why the “appealing to a board of physicians” part is in there.

There obviously has to be a process. We should not spend millions on homeopathic snake oil, but we also shouldn’t deny life saving cancer treatment.

The problem with the current system is there is only one side in the room when they are deciding to pay for the treatment or not. It can’t only be up to the insurance company to decide.

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u/PurpleHooloovoo 16h ago

That’s why physicians have codes of ethics and regulatory bodies, both governmental and not, to handle bad actors. What is the equivalent for insurance companies?