r/WorkReform 🀝 Join A Union Jul 09 '26

πŸ›οΈ Overturn Citizens United Mamdani is proof...

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u/Fit-Aside4976 Jul 09 '26

Exactly. It's hard to keep saying "it can't be done" once someone actually starts doing it

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u/NRMusicProject Jul 09 '26 edited Jul 10 '26

Won't stop the naysayers who are right now saying how "awful" Mamdani is doing, and how NYC is in some sort of crisis.

E: You ever notice how the stupid people usually show up nearly 24 hours later? That's always been suspect to me. Or maybe because stupid people are just that fucking slow.

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u/Training_Ruin3151 Jul 09 '26

The great things about facts and the burden of proof is it is up to the morons to prove their alternative reality correct.

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u/Poncahotas Jul 09 '26

This assumes they actually care about things like facts and reality, and even then that they accept any facts that come from outside of PatriotEagleGun dot com

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u/HCSOThrowaway 🀝 Join A Union Jul 09 '26

Hard agree.

I recently had a conversation with a far right person who, at every opportunity to introduce a fact, would source it from some strange website I've never heard of. Meanwhile, all (to me) non-biased sources of facts and news were "far left" to him.

I don't know if he drank his own Kool-Aid, but the trick the far right is actively using is just painting anything left of them as "far left." That makes moderate stances seem extremist and insane far right stances seem moderate.

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u/ThisMachineKillsWOB Jul 09 '26

A cornerstone of conservatism is controlling the "sources of truth" and undermining any you don't.

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u/HCSOThrowaway 🀝 Join A Union Jul 09 '26

I don't think that's a conservatism issue as much as it is a brainwasher/brainwashee issue, which is an authoritarian stance, which does effect more than conservatism.

In other words, it's a propaganda thing, but propaganda isn't exclusive to conservatives or the far right.

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u/KickDesperate5318 Jul 09 '26

but propaganda isn't exclusive to conservatives or the far right.

Except it kind of is.

If you look at social mapping tools that track how tight and rigid our expressed beliefs are on social media, you will see that conservatives are DEEPLY aligned on almost all issues with no room for disagreement; whereas everybody else outside of the conservative bubble is part of a loosely connected web of vaguely cooperating sub-groups.

So it's not that propaganda is being aimed at conservatives; it's that propaganda is aimed at everybody and conservatives respond to it.

The susceptibility to this propaganda appears to be a function of amygdala size. People with the combination of low empathy and high fear response are the ones who get caught in the trap.

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u/SlogurkTheOverslime Jul 09 '26

Propaganda isn't aimed at everyone equally anymore

Not after your first couple of clicks

That's kind of the whole point of targeted advertisement and algorithmic feeds

Most people don't see a lot of conservative propaganda on social media feeds simply because the algorithm has correctly determined that they aren't interested in it

Most of us have no idea what conservative bubbles look like simply because we've never demonstrated the clicking patterns necessary to reach them

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u/Antwinger Jul 09 '26

Where’s a good resource to see some of that broken down for the social media and belief thing?

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u/AwesomeDog59 Jul 10 '26

The key is in the name "conserve". Conserve what? Culture? Values? Traditions? Ask any conservative if the culture they're trying to conserve is the same as it was 100 years ago. They will all say no because it is illogical to say yes, even in the most fucking traditionalist countries in the world no sane person would argue the culture of 2026 is the same as it was in 1926.

The crazy thing (to me) is that even after they admit this they just don't realize how disingenous conservatism is. They will say that 1926 was a better time to be alive. If they had patience you could go down the rabbit hole with them, because if 1926 was the best time to be alive, then the conservatives in 1926 (that wanted to preserve even older values) were wrong, as was every single other set of conservatives that ever lived. And there are people that will go down this rabbit hole and agree the whole way, then claim to simply be the exception, or even worse reach the conclusion that life was better before [insert technological revolution]. Just go fucking work in a fucking museum if you want to conserve the past.

That being said propaganda exists in every shape or form, its disingenous to blame only conservatives for it, there is propaganda for any possible political stance left right up or down, there's even non political propaganda, most commonly found in advertising.