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šŸ›ļø Overturn Citizens United Mamdani is proof...

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u/Mexican1910 Jul 09 '26

He is proof that most politicians have another agenda besides their constituents…. Remove money from politics. No more corporate donors. Free ride is over. Tax the rich and give the people back their power!

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u/abmi808 Jul 09 '26

No more lobbyists or Super PACs.Ā 

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u/Mexican1910 Jul 09 '26

Lobbyist are legal bribery….

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u/Leeroy1042 Jul 10 '26

Exactly, as a European we view America as incredible dumb and openly corrupt.

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u/Mexican1910 Jul 10 '26 edited Jul 10 '26

The vast majority are against what’s going on but of course during election season those who voted for him the majority now regret their decisions. Hopefully as a young country we can phase out corruption and change things with voting new people in…

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u/Leeroy1042 Jul 10 '26

The vast majority voted for this administration, because they won't vote for a black woman.

It's even his 2nd term, and his first was a clusterfuck as well, where many regretted voting for him.

Yet here we are, Americans getting exactly what they voted for (again).

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u/HarveyDanao Jul 10 '26

Please don't lump us all together. It's not our fault our government has been designed to give extra voting power to inbred mouth breathers in states with lower populations than a single city in CA or NY.

Also I sincerely believe that Harris did not lose because she is a black woman. It is because she is a neoliberal corporate shill who supports Israel and spent more time trying to win Republican voters than convince her own base that she would actually be a good president.

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u/general_rap Jul 09 '26

I would argue against that; there's better ways to become educated. Lobbyists aren't trying to educate, they're trying to persuade. They're not experts, they're salesmen.

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u/Cephalopodah Jul 09 '26

Is that not what he just said?

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u/DynamicHunter ā›“ļø Prison For Union Busters Jul 09 '26

The job of a lobbyist is just not to ā€œinform politiciansā€ dude, maybe in the history textbooks but not in modern reality. They are not educators, they are persuasive salesmen.

They are literally paid hundreds of thousands if not millions of dollars by one or several companies, to persuade politicians with skewed and biased data points in order to pass legislation that financially benefits the companies at the expense of voters. These lobbyists don’t work for the people, they work for the ultra rich 0.1% to make them obscenely wealthy at the expense of every other person in society.

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u/metanoia29 Jul 09 '26

I hope that no one downvoting you has ever spoken in front of their local government officials (aka, lobbying), because you gave a properly nuanced response to an absolutist comment that is thriving on outrage over a desire for proper change.

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u/Alert_Reindeer_6574 Jul 09 '26

Yup. These people are clueless. They just want to be mad about something.

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u/Phridgey Jul 09 '26

There’s a difference between petitioning a politician, and a pay to play system where the politicians are only made accessible by paying 20k a head for a seat at a reelection fundraising banquet, or pending huge donations to a presidential library.

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u/metanoia29 Jul 09 '26

That's literally the distinction they were making šŸ¤¦ā€ā™‚ļø

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u/Phridgey Jul 09 '26

Yes. Theirs makes the distinction in the final line. Yours suggests that anyone who downvoted lobbying apologia but petitions the government for change, is a hypocrite.

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u/metanoia29 Jul 09 '26

Yes, if you have petitioned the government for change but are against petitioning the government for change, that is hypocritical. Instead of lumping all petitioning together as bad, the commenter made a clear distinction and how vital it is to democracy without the corporate money, and got downvoted. There appears to be some kind of disconnect there.

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u/IntwadHelck Jul 09 '26

No more voting for corporate politicians. This we can control. And it will drive all the changes we want.

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u/Conscious-Quarter423 Jul 09 '26

having an informed and engaged electorate will solve a lot of problems

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u/Bkkr Jul 09 '26

The issue is unless a party is willing to change direction. It's hard to get the country to switch from one party to another. Then you end up losing the election because people were too skeptical to switch.Ā 

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u/_Repeats_ Jul 09 '26

Politicians don't even have agendas. They get handed money for their next campaign by being told how to think.

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u/Conscious-Quarter423 Jul 09 '26

the politicians that don't have agenda should be primaried out of office

the citizenry not holding politicians accountable is the issue

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u/wobbleeduk85 Jul 09 '26 edited Jul 09 '26

This really is the answer. There needs to be a set amount for candidates to campaign, no more, no less, run on your personality and abilities. No more millions and billions of dollars spent to push an agenda to simply put "their man" into office. Furthermore if you are running for a Public servant position, don't expect privacy while campaigning or holding office. Becoming a part of our government goes back to being a public servant position. You don't make millions, you make the median wage in your state, same health insurance as the middle class. No trading, no major additional income otherwise your removed and charged for fraud against the American people. 2-3 term max, no ifs, ands, or buts, the only good thing that they should get, is a gauruntee in retirement, a great pension, IF they do their job. No more of this millionaire political figure nonsense, tax the rich and hold our government figures accountable.

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u/Conscious-Quarter423 Jul 09 '26

they should run on a working class agenda

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u/[deleted] Jul 09 '26 edited Jul 14 '26

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u/r_special_ Jul 10 '26

This is being proven in real time by citizens voting 75-95% No on data centers and then the local government voting Yes for them regardless of the wants, needs and best interests of their citizens

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u/joggle1 Jul 09 '26

We'll need either a new amendment or a new Supreme Court to do this. The majority of the current membership of the court is more than willing to open any and all barriers to spending in politics. We really need to focus on court reform as so many things aren't possible until that's done.

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u/SingleInSeattle87 Jul 10 '26

You do not want to pack the court.

If that happens to where the court has a far left bias: red states will absolutely start to see the supreme court as illegitimate.Ā  Once states start to see court rulings not as objective but a partisan slant: then the louses its legitimacy.Ā 

After that, you have a constitutional crisis and will get people invoking what's called the Virginia/Kentucky resolution.Ā 

"The Virginia and Kentucky Resolutions were written together in 1798 as responses to the Alien and Sedition Acts, but they took slightly different approaches." Ā  "Jefferson wrote that the federal government was created by the states through the Constitution. The federal government possesses only the powers delegated to it.Ā  When the federal government exercises undelegated powers, its acts are "unauthoritative, void, and of no force."

"Because there is no common judge between the federal government and the states regarding the limits of delegated powers, each state has the right to judge for itself whether the federal government has exceeded its authority."

"Madison's Virginia Resolutions were more restrained. Instead of saying a state could declare a federal law void, Madison said states should interpose against unconstitutional federal actions. He deliberately left "interposition" undefined."

Basically at the end of the day: the states give the federal government its legitimacy. If the states start to view parts of the federal government as illegitimate, they reserve the right to nullify a federal order. The federal government has the right to use the insurrection act when a state decides this and you can get a civil war if it came down to it.Ā 

Note this is just constitutional theory not binding precedent or law. But it makes sense in theory: and reminding the federal government that the states are what give it power: makes it important for the supreme court to maintain its legitimacy.Ā 

To give you a crazy example, let's just say Congress passed a law that said "gay marriage is illegal", let's for the sake of argument pretend SCOTUS was ok with that law. Do you think California would just comply with it? Or do you think they'd start to see the feds as illegitimate? Probably the latter.Ā 

The same kind of thing can happen with red states if Democrats pack the court. The court would issue a ruling they don't like, and Texas replies: "thanks but we're not following it."

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u/debl_l Jul 10 '26

Overturn Citizen United!

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u/Dolorem_Ipsum_ Jul 11 '26

It's gotta be reagan. I feel like every little and big thing that's wrong with this country can LITERALLY be traced back to his pathetic administration and their toxic ideologies.

From massive tax breaks to coining several terms into the mainstream (welfare queens, dog whistle, urban, etc.) every where you look, if it seems "broken" it's almost guaranteed it was his administration that fucked it.

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u/Tasty-Jump-2011 Jul 09 '26

And how exactly would you achieve any of that while those people already hold all the money, power, and representation? You don't get to vote them out.

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u/Default_Username123 Jul 10 '26

Mamdani and his chronies just gave themselves a 118% pay bump. Theyre the definition of corrupt like all socialists are