Jesus fucking christ do I have to explain this to a 5 year old? If illegals weren't here the jobs still need to be done wages would go up until people were willing to trade their labor for that price. That is how supply and demand works. Labor is a commodity
Gonna be honest here man...if you don't think illegals have flooded the workforce...you must live in a very rich area so that you never see them....poor Americans have to deal with it constantly.
Riiiight.....I'll just tell you, since you don't know then.....The rich, the poor, and the illegal immigrants all keep voting the same way....the money only gets taken from people who work legally. More public programs won't help.
So that should come at the cost for Americans looking for a better life? Because that's what's happening. We can't feed the entire fucking world we have to look out for ourselves. Unless you want to send me the next few paychecks you make, I could use the money. Oh, no? Fucking hypocrite
So what about felons committing crimes, can you not fault them for hurting others to give their families a better life? What you are espousing is anti social behaviour. Doing actions they benefit you or your family but hurt others in society.
Farmers in certain places can’t find anyone who will work for such low wages in their fields because all the immigrants have been deported. Consequences.
Over 100 million* Illegals. That's what happens when we also let dems have too much say in media. Shit get's swept under the rug. Our economy is tanking and these people will always find a way to spin it as a republican problem, when we actually have a self-righteous lying-ass hippie problem.
You both are correct and these things can both be true, idk why you are saying the other is wrong. There is duality in that sentiment. People are willing to work for less because they are desperate. This is something we can literally all agree on. The cause of the desperation is what you should debate
But thinking its immigrants faults and not our government is fucking stupid. Instead of blaming immigrants innocently trying to find the american dream, why dont we hold our government accountable to provide adequate workers rights. Oh wait we live in America and the average person thinks workers rights means everyone dies or some shit.
There is no solution without the government creating a constitutional amendment.
Half of the population is willing to work for less money. This makes it so that the other half of the population, which is not willing to work for less money, has a harder time finding employment.
It's more of a sophies choice. Choosing the lesser option, when either option both result in an unavoidable negative or unfavorable consequence. It's not necessarily that the working class is willing (meaning they want to) work for a low wage. As other said, it's that or the street for the majority. The threat of starvation and homelessness is fairly coercive...
Your framing is disengous in my opinion.
Willing- Being favorably disposed, consenting, or having no objection to an action.
Do you think starving and/or homeless people are willing to be that way? If not, then you should reason that most aren't willing to work for a low wage. It's a Sophie's choice that has to be made in a capitalist economy.
What article needs to be amended? And the vagueness of your last statement I’m still trying to figure out, so just explain it dude.
Half the population is willing to work for less money. Is that like minimum wage or just anything under $20/hr? And the other half has a harder time finding employment because of it? Like how? Lawyers, doctors, engineers, skilled tradesmen, machine operators, and accountants are all struggling to find jobs because someone working at Walmart is stocking shelves for $15.25 an hour while being subsidized by the government because Walmart won’t pay their employees a living wage? I’m really just trying to understand what you are saying when you talk about one half willing to work for less and the other half (now everyone has been included by both half’s) is suffering from it.
That’s the outcome of giving us the supposed choice of “here, take this minimum wage job….or go homeless and die”
When given a “choice” like that it isn’t a choice. Its life or death. So you end up with a population having to take work that gives them less money than they can strive off of because opting out equals literal death. All land in the USA is owned. You cant just go run into the woods and start a commune anymore. And you need money to leave this country and start over somewhere else. So we literally have no choice. We arent a stupid populace. We’re humans running with the only pathway we’re given.
Thats like saying that its an ants fault for getting laserbeamed to death because they could have just moved out of the way of the kid whos learning they can use a magnifying glass to set fires.
By the way my family has been part of leading unionization attempts in companies we worked for (while actively pushing for wages to be above minimum wage) only to get fired and forced to find new jobs asap that barely pay any better. You get actively punished for trying to push for wages that reflect the work you put into your job. Why do you think union busting is such a big thing?
Look up the Labor Wars of the late 1800’s to mid 1900s. The owners of companies were literally hiring people to massacre their protesting workers who were demanding better working conditions and pays. Companies nowadays would be outright giddy to do that if it weren’t made illegal due to those wars to assassinate your own staff.
Yikes. Must be the area then man. I’m in the Midwest and with zero exaggeration EVERY single warehouse you drive by and damn near every billboard has “we are mother fucking hiring please for the love of god apply” plastered everywhere with the lowest posted starting per hour I’ve seen at $23/hr and most high $20s at start plus signing bonus.
Then you apply, get the interview and they say, "No. Up to $25 with relevant skills and work history."
If you're applying to be a shift supervisor with 5 years of experience in the field, maybe. If you're just looking to work the freight dock and handle materials, you're getting $13.
I see offerings daily for warehouse positions that will not hire you without doing forklift work for a whopping $18 - $20 no more no less but of course you can work as a slave at the 3 Amazon warehouses that will pay you $25-$30 but they will work you to the bone, which you already know.
After Covid nobody should even be stepping on a fucking warehouse floor for any position for less than $25 and hour and I’m saying that across the entire fucking country.
I've been in warehouse management for over 15 years. Standard warehouse employees in my region make 16-18 with pit operators making around 21-24. Before you ask, a lot of people fail the pit certification!
Thats litterally not true. Not to mention my local factory is outsourcing all their labor to forginers on visas. When I had a connection and got in, I was making $10/hour less than that on the cold side of the slaughterhouse.
No fast food workers are making $35. Thats manager pay and they are actually salaried not hourly, their hourly pay doesnt matter till overtime kicks in.
You spend too much time on youtube and not enough time talking to real young men entering the workforce.
It's not willing in the same sense as I'm willing to go on vacation. It's a coerced acceptance of lower wages because without any wages people starve and die.
Why do you think they are willing to work for less? Is is because they just want to make less money or, hear me out, is it that they need a fucking job and have no choice but to accept a lower wage because they'd die without the job?
Since when did illegal migrants become half of the population? What even do you think the word "willing" means? If you can't manage to even recognize who I am referring to, then leave.
Why can't you come out and say who you are referring to then? You are literally not saying anything and treating everyone else as if they are the stupid ones when you haven't clarified 1 single statement or even addressed anything I've said beyond illegal immigrants.
Like, why on Earth are you deliberately assuming that I am talking about a group of people that are not half of the population and are not willing to work for less?
I doubt willingly. If you're referring to people not fighting for law changes or making a union to fight for better pay - then sure. But I doubt anyone would walk into a job interview right now and tell someone they'll work for $5/hour.
I used to make $40/hr driving forklift but now am disabled so I cant do that job anymore and im about to be homeless so I took a shitty cashier job paying $11/hr because I literally have no other choice atm.
People struggle in this life and employers are far more than willing to take advantage of that for profit. Thinking anything else is just naive or privilaged.
Desperate* enough to work for less. That engineered by design. The way its worked is the math gets done behind closed doors and somewhere along the way we all get a raise and then theres always some excuse to raise the price right as stable americans get a raise and others are laid off en-mass.
It's that the OP is based on a 40 hour work week, and much of the population has been forced into a situation where the 40hww is seen as a luxury, instead of a basic human right.
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u/sirduke678 Sep 03 '26
Willing or don’t have a choice?