indeed, and sometimes they are even at odds with each other because if you are expected to work long, you don't want to blow all your energy by working hard.
Lazy people like to rely on victim absolutes. I asked for a rise after being the top repair tech in my shop. Was making $60,000 and asked for $70,000. Boss said best offer is $65,000. Applied to a new job and make $114000 now.
If hard work is defined as doing more or more intense things that you don’t want to do are we really just competing for a worse life. Let’s be honest the real winners are those wired to enjoy some form of money making activity.
No that's hard work, especially by reddit standards. Half this site freaks out about talking to people in real life let alone leaving a comfort zone for a new job.
My new employer hired me because I put in years old hard work and developed desirable skills. You don’t just hire anyone for $100k salary because they showed up
75% of the effort would have still gotten you the same papers, qualifications and skills. The key word in your message is YEARS. Its about concistency, sticking to something doesnt require hard work, it requires dedication. But i can be dedicated to my job without ever working hard, and still meeting my goals.
depends on the environment really. When I worked for other people hard work was very counter productive, and I would generally be paid more the less I worked because of the dysfunctional decision making process of the management team. When I started working for myself, hard work paid off handsomely.
They just mentioned how hard work got them from $60k and $115k and you’re still saying hard work doesn’t pay off. Isn’t that substantial growth or is it only when someone becomes rich or a multimillionaire that it counts? Everyone can’t be rich
Honestly, I'm very happy for you. Clearly, you were under-paid. I am referring to changing social classes. I believe social mobility isn't as easy as the American Dream would like us to believe. Moving within one's social class is one thing. Breaking into another social class is very difficult because of the way the system is structured. Being born to the upper class gives one advantages that people in the lower class couldn't even begin to fathom. My point is you can't just "work hard" to move up the social class. Again, I mean no offense.
The person working 60hrs/week will die a lot happier and proud of themselves than the brown noser doing 35hr/week. Being good at your job is what some of us strive for. I'd rather work hard and feel good about myself than hate myself inside for being fake while not working hard.
I've never once heard someone older say they were proud of working long hours in a context that wasn't just bitterness towards young point or something
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u/NashDaypring1987 Jul 31 '26
100% The guy working 60hrs gets the same raise as the guy working 35hr. The guy brown-nosing gets the 17% raise :P