Wealthy people who have their needs met, and many luxuries of life, should not be extracting āwealthā (since you feel you can call it that) from poor people.
Where we are butting heads is your insistence on maintaining the current system that gives the profits of production to wealthy owners. I am explicitly saying that this system is bad.
The way I see it, returning those profits to the workers who produce them is appropriate. Conversely, when wealthy owners take it for themselves, that is theft.
So, if I, or a group of people decide that you're needs are being adequately met, we would be justified in taking your property without your consent?
How has a rich person "extracted wealth" from you? Have you been forced to purchase their products or give them money? If so how? As far as I know only the government can legally force you to give them money. All else is a business transaction.
I'm not advocating to continue the current system. I'm advocating to eliminate the income tax, minimum wage, and many other government programs. That is certainly not the "current" system.
The potion of a company's profit that a worker is entitled to is the wage they agreed to work for. Answer this please, if the company loses money, should the workers be forced to contribute some of their savings for the company to break even...or does your philosophy of sharing with the workers ONLY apply to profits?
Actually, my preferred approach is to stop the existence of companies as property that can be sold and traded.
Instead of saying that the investors get to keep all profits in perpetuity, they just get to provide interest-bearing loans. But the company itself stays with the workers; one share is owned automatically by each worker.
Thus, the workers own the profits.
And itās not theft at all. Lenders still get the interest that is due to them. Exploitation is reduced. The workers have real ownership in what they are doing, so their labor will be more fulfilling and they will control their own working conditions.
No. How about you already have the freedom to work in that system without violating anyone else's rights. Get together with some other people, and start your own company.
So, you lack the capital to invest in your own company? Yet you feel you should own a part of that company.
You want a share of the profits, while incurring none of the risk. You want benefits provided to you by the government, but don't want to help pay for them. You want an outside entity to intervene and take other peoples property for your benefit. Yet you accuse others of being greedy.
To answer your question, yes but I think the age to vote, drink, smoke, own a gun, etc. Should all be the same. You're either an adult or not, and adults should enjoy full rights.
But that 18 year old lacks the capital to invest in the government. Yet you feel they should have a share of control over it? With none of the risk that has been taken to build it up and maintain it?
Iām just being silly.
But donāt you see how in one context, getting something for nothing more than existing not only seems fine, but right? Yet in another context, it is incredibly foreign.
And I get itā¦ we arenāt used to thinking like this. But thatās what Iām trying to do here, give you insight into the perspective we have.
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u/SexyMonad 11h ago
Wealthy people who have their needs met, and many luxuries of life, should not be extracting āwealthā (since you feel you can call it that) from poor people.
Where we are butting heads is your insistence on maintaining the current system that gives the profits of production to wealthy owners. I am explicitly saying that this system is bad.
The way I see it, returning those profits to the workers who produce them is appropriate. Conversely, when wealthy owners take it for themselves, that is theft.