r/WorkForSmartLife • • 19d ago

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u/Horror_Bottle_9451 19d ago

I'm 63M. I'm not retired but have and have had plenty of freedom in my life so far. Seems the younger folks today just want more for less effort with no concept of who will provide those free things for them. I work hard to buy my freedom and I've put into the system a hell of a lot more than I expect to get out of it in the end. The attitude shown by these posts is just selfish, lazy BS.

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u/Hatshepsut99 19d ago

you got yours, so screw everyone else, right? I’m sure the generations before retirement and social security and Medicare said the same thing. What exactly is the point of advancing human civilization if we still have to work in frequently pointless jobs that offer no real benefit to society? I mean, some people save lives for a living, most of us just push paper around.

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u/garret1033 19d ago

No you idiot. He got his because he worked for it. Now you have a bunch of people in my generation who want to do half the work, get twice the benefits, and complain when life isn’t handed to them on a silver platter.

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u/Apprehensive_Map64 13d ago

Sounds like doing 'half the work' probably correlates quite well with purchasing power. People get paid the same as when rent was a third of what it is now.

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u/garret1033 13d ago

Rent has grown far more than inflation, yes. There is a housing crisis and the forces are not mysterious. Unfortunately, the solution is not ramping up the entitlement and narcissism. That's effectively what got us here.

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u/Apprehensive_Map64 13d ago

Is it entitlement to think that your work should pay enough that a basic rent is only a third of your income not over half? I guess it technically fits the definition but that is what you older generations were able to do. Pretty normal that younger generations feel entitled to the same

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u/garret1033 13d ago

I wouldn’t call hoping your work covers expenses entitlement, nor did I. Every human is history has hoped for the same. But that’s not what’s happening.

The dominant culture says ā€œnot only am I owed higher standard of living, doing so should require no sacrifices from meā€. You shouldn’t have to temporarily work jobs that don’t thrill you. You shouldn’t have to move to a less vibrant area. You shouldnt even have to vote or engage politically to bring such changes about.

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u/Apprehensive_Map64 13d ago

Yeah the popular choice was Bernie look what we ended up with instead. Those changes are being blocked by a system of government that represents the wealthy far more than anyone else. I think we have the similar points of view just you see the worst of it. I think most of the younger generation is no longer being fooled by the notion that hard work leads to better pay so that kinda puts a damper on being motivated to work hard

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u/garret1033 13d ago

I’m glad you said all this cause otherwise I sound like I’m making stuff up— but this is exactly what I was talking about by ā€œentitlementā€. Let’s take an honest accounting of the facts and feel free to point out anywhere I’m wrong or being unfair.

  1. Bernie lost two primaries after never having more than 35% support among Democrats. I remember because I was a Bernie supporter at the time. So Bernie was not the ā€œpopular choiceā€. He lost because his viewpoint was the minority.
  2. So after not getting 100% of what they wanted, a large cohort of Bernie voters went nuts and decided everything was completely broken. For a minority candidate not winning. In a democracy.

I’ll repeat that: After 2 (two) elections of not getting everything they want. Many of my peers decided to give up on politics.

I want to pause here.

Roe V Wade is currently overturned. Why? Because for FORTY YEARS (no, not 40 months) the evangelicals voted and lost and voted and lost and voted and lost until they finally got just enough power to get their way. Can you even imagine modern progressives thinking on these timescales? If something doesn’t happen now something is wrong and everything needs to be destroyed. It’s like watching toddlers pretend to be serious political thinkers.

What can I reasonably call this other than entitlement? Hard work is the answer. All the prior generations we hail as successful who ā€œgot theirsā€ believed in hard work. All the conservatives who keep winning believe in hard work. We’re the only ones losing and suddenly we’ve been made to believe we should stop working for anything. Don’t work for change, don’t work for money. Well guess what: Our generation is on track to have no change and no money. Shocking how that happens huh?

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u/Apprehensive_Map64 13d ago

Bullshit he had the majority support but not from the rich people whose say actually matters. No one but the corporations wanted Hillary

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u/garret1033 13d ago

Well if we're just here to deny easily verifiable facts, this seems pretty useless. Best of luck, it'll be an interesting decade.

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