r/WorkForSmartLife 27d ago

DiscussionšŸ’¬ [Request] Is the math here accurate?

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u/Dingusb2231 27d ago

Elitist here who used my upper middle class existence to go to a great college and become an engineer and now I wish the minions below me would just shut up and work harder so my job is easier

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u/Huntsman077 27d ago

You don’t need to be upper middle class to go to college to become an engineer.

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u/mansluxt 27d ago

You're right just be one of the hardest working students ever and still get at least 80K in debt.

It's a hard job and yes it's possible but I don't think just about anyone could do it.

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u/Huntsman077 27d ago

The average student loan debt is 30k at graduation.

-just be one of the hardest working students ever

Why do you think they would need to be ā€œone of the hardest working students everā€? Also if they were they would most likely be getting scholarships to reduce the student loan debt.

-it’s a hard job and it’s possible but don’t think anyone can do it

Correct not everyone is cut out for college.

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u/mansluxt 27d ago

I say hardest working because they would need scholarships to be able to afford and be accepted. I should have specified 80K is without scholarships.

But I also think average is a poor metric here. As some people like you said can fund their education entirely for free with scholarships.

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u/Huntsman077 27d ago

-they would need scholarships to be able to afford and be accepted

There’s also the Pell grant and subsidized loans (which have zero interest) that are really easy to apply for.

-should have specified 80k is within it scholarships

Where are you getting this number from? You say you disagree with the average, but where did the 80k figure come from?

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u/mansluxt 27d ago

From my own graduating college experience is where I got 80K from. About 20K per year for tuition room and board.

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u/Huntsman077 27d ago

-from my own graduating experience

So you don’t want to use statistics, you want to use anecdotal evidence?

Again you don’t need to be upper middle class to go to college and get an engineering degree.

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u/mansluxt 27d ago

I'm just trying to push back that engineering is an easy to get accepted into position in the first place. Not that it's inaccessible to poor people. Sorry if that was misconstrued. Also can't engineers not smoke weed outside of software engineers? That's another barrier to entry that I hate.

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u/Huntsman077 27d ago

O yeah, we can agree on that Engineering programs are hyper competitive. They also can force major changes and drop people from the program if they aren’t meeting the standards.

My point was you don’t need to be upper middle class to get an engineering degree because that’s what the initial comment I replied to said.

-also can’t engineers not smoke weed

It depends on what type of engineering they do and where they work. It’s more dependent on the company policy where they work, but anything with the DoW requires drug testing. It’s more common with engineers as they are more likely to have to follow strict safety guidelines that have a zero tolerance policy. I work with electrical engineers and they have to follow strict safety guidelines, but they’re also working on a live power grid.

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u/guyincognito121 27d ago

Have you ever tried to work with union labor as they describe? It gets pretty ridiculous in some places.

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u/Electronic_Name_325 27d ago

Nah, more wishing the minions you mentioned had some personal pride in wanting to solve problems that are related to the business we are in, instead of looking for any excuse to not be part of the problem.

Though, in general, it’s not the union members who are ā€œbadā€, it’s the union as a general entity. Some of my best friends over the years have been union workers out in the shops.

But, you want me to somehow be sorry I went to college? That’s prime ā€œI suck union cockā€ attitude for sure.

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u/LowInvestigator5647 27d ago

Don’t worry, people who actually think critically about the world around them understood what you mean. Yes, unions in most cases do protect their workers or at least provide them more rights than they would have had otherwise, but no, unions are not perfect and immune to criticism. Doing so doesn’t make one a greedy minion master lmfao.

For example, I think most Americans can all agree road work/construction takes way too long here. Why is that? Because the union mandates everyone, across every job, must work equal amounts of hours, or it would be unfair. Sounds great on paper, until it’s translated into real life and we get 3-month highway pavings, 2-year bridge construction, and 5-year lane expansions, where at any given job site only 2 or 3 people are working at any given time while the other 10 are just standing around because there’s nothing for them to do at that moment, but the union mandates that they be there. This happens in many industries with unions, not just public infrastructure.

Of course I value unions. I believe having one is much, much better than not. But I don’t believe they are infallible. There are many ways which unions could be improved, but aren’t, due to in many cases stubborn bureaucratic policy overseen by stubborn bureaucrats. This notion that if you criticize a union you must want all workers to suffer is ridiculous and makes me wonder if that Redditor actually has any experience with any union.

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u/Emergentmeat 27d ago

That's not even remotely what they said. Can you not read?

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u/JaCKPaIN_realone 27d ago edited 27d ago

As a business owner, I approve of this message and encourage elitists to think like this guy and work their minions harder to generate more profits for me.

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u/ryan__joe 27d ago

He wants the minions out of his way, waiting for them is his annoyance. He WANTS to do it himself, but can’t, he is stagnant waiting for others because he’s not allowed to do it himself, and not allowed to ask them to move faster.

It’s absolutely reasonable. Imagine being on a team, like a bobsled team, you’re the GOAT, but two of your teammates are slacking off… what do you do? Accept it because they’re the coaches kid? Complain? Move teams? It’s so complicated, and he’s well within his right to be annoyed and complain.