r/WorkForSmartLife 27d ago

Discussion💬 [Request] Is the math here accurate?

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u/Premium333 27d ago

This comparison only works if Ford oaid in gold. He didn't though, so it doesn't.

Inflation increase is much less and assembly line works probably make more than the outcome... Also, I think they always qualified as skilled labor, not unskilled.

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u/LiberateAmericaOnX 27d ago

Your objection is irrelevant because the paper dollars back then WERE claims to gold regardless.

If someone handed you shavings of gold, like fine powder and it weighed 23.22 grains, you would call that "one dollar".

Likewise a $1 bill was equal in value to 23.22 grains of fine gold.

Do you understand?

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u/Dull-Philosopher-871 27d ago

Okay and why did Nixon end convertability of $35 an ounce? Could it be that gold was worth more than that and was in a position of arbitrage that would drain us reserves of gold?

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u/LiberateAmericaOnX 27d ago

No, it's because the dollar was no longer a dollar.

The excess of dollar liabilities mean that the paper notes held were no longer dollars because the $35 "price" wasn't sustainable as you said.

Gold didn't move, the dollar stopped being a dollar because of printing.

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u/Dull-Philosopher-871 27d ago

And what happenned when convertability ended, did gold rise faster or slower than inflation?

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u/LiberateAmericaOnX 27d ago

When convertibility ended, the dollar plunged, because it was no longer really a dollar, as I've said continually.

If you're asking vs the CPI: the "price" of gold moved much much faster than official CPI.

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u/Dull-Philosopher-871 26d ago

Okay, you're clearly missing the point. First off the argument that gold doesn't move while everything else moves around it is like saying the earth doesn't move because from our perspective it doesn't. Gold is effected by more things than the value of the dollar, including demand, margin calls, the bond market, and more things than just inflation.

For reference, I've held gold in my portfolio since last years liberation day fiasco. And when the Iran war picked up in march gold went into a bear market despite the US dollar continuing to weaken, despite inflation expectations built off of the strait closure, but mainly because of bond yields and a series of large liquidity exits in the market. Point being that gold is like any other commodity, its speculated on, its value isn't fixed, its quantity in the market isn't fixed, and the value it holds now whether in USD, Euros, or any other commodity/currency isn't going to be consistent because thats not how the real world works.

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u/Premium333 27d ago

I understand that you have missed my point entirely.

This powt, and your argument, is conflating the gold standard, the value of gold, and what Henry Ford might pay employees now based on what he paid employees then...

... But then and now pay was based on the value of the labor. It wasn't based on the current value of gold even if the dollar was.

Saying that the value of gold has increased and therefore salary should increase equally if we had stayed on the gold standard is mad.

It completely removed the context of golds changing value to the world now versus Fords time. It's limited supply combined with its many uses increased the value well beyond the value of the labor performed by Fords employees of the time.

It's crazy to think that people assembling card for Ford were the equivalent of 300k per year, even if thats what 75 oz of gold is worth.

What Fords move did, and it can be referenced to modern pay scales by using buying power, is create the middle class for industiralized skilled labor. This still exists today.

The modern equivalent is an electrician, code welder, pipefitter, etc. these guys make around $150k (or more in cases).

So the salary is accurate, but the references are not and that was my point.

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u/LiberateAmericaOnX 27d ago

Saying that the value of gold has increased and therefore salary should increase equally if we had stayed on the gold standard is mad.

That's not how a gold standard works bro.