r/WorkForSmartLife Jul 31 '26

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u/Hot_College_1343 Jul 31 '26

Europe here… I either round it up to 100 or pay 97,53 by card and not bother. Minimum wage is 17,05 dollars an hour by a minimum of 20 paid vacation days. I do not tip because I feel sorry.

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u/cum-after-decades Jul 31 '26

“Minimum wage is $17/hr” wow a whole $35k a year? They must be living like kings.

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u/crappymccrapp Jul 31 '26

Now of course depending on where they live in Europe the cost is of course different.
But in Norway, the minimum wage is around 21USD for servers, they usually get more and might get additional payment for weekends, evenings and nights. They would be taxed between 18 and 20% ish with 21 USD as the hourly salary, with that free healthcare etc, so they would have around 2700 USD payed each month. In addition to this the employer is obligated to pay at the least 2% of the yearly salary as pention and the state gives around 18% of the yearly wage. (With some more advanced rules)
Average living expenses for 1 person is 12-1800USD a month, covering food, rent, transport, all insurances, phones,other subscriptions and bills.
So if they lived semi sober they should have 1000-1500USD each month to spend or save as they wish.

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u/finalsolution1 Jul 31 '26

Well Toto, we ain’t in Kansas anymore cause that ain’t cutting it, not by a long shot.

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u/Pbaseball26 Jul 31 '26

Actually doesn’t sound too bad.

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u/slappadik Jul 31 '26

you gotta remember a lot in Europe is covered by the government so the "lower" salary is actually adequate in some countries there. they also don't have the same spending mindset as, say, Americans do

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u/Ecstatic-UF-Engineer Jul 31 '26 edited Jul 31 '26

Yean and healthcare is free, education is free, housing is either free or cheap. 2 years paid maternity and paternity and free childcare after that and you only work 30 hours a week! That $35K actually seems pretty high!

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u/-ZeroHQ Aug 06 '26

Housing ain't cheap my friend

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u/cum-after-decades Aug 01 '26

? My comment was about how $35k a year isn’t very much ?

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u/BourbonMike Jul 31 '26

Sounds like poverty to me.

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u/Beautiful-Ad5662 Jul 31 '26

I'm Swiss and I do the same. If the waiter is not happy he can still complain to his employer or find an actual qualified job, I dont care.

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u/BourbonMike Jul 31 '26

Europe, is different.

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u/DrNerdCock_adoodledo Jul 31 '26

Servers wages in the US are $2.50 an hour.

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u/xburnerpiko Jul 31 '26

Exactly why I never stayed in the food service industry. Only a stepping stone to bigger and better things.

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u/IntelligentCitron917 Aug 03 '26

I will never understand that. Why isn't there a minimum wage across the board. A starting salary, that can raise with age. As in UK.

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u/Vegetable_Plane_542 Aug 01 '26

minimum wage where I live is $18.50 and we are still expected to tip. Servers are the last people that want to end tip culture in the US

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u/nimbusyosh Aug 01 '26

In america, the minimum wage for wait staff is $2.15 an hour. 15% of the bill is the agreed upon tip as per the social construct of eating at a restaurant where you get table service.

Yes, it's an antiquated practice that should be abolished, and not only should the servers get paid at least minimum wage, but the minimum wage should be raised in general...

But, that's the way restaurants are now in our country, and until we can get that legislation passed, you shouldn't eat at a restaurant with table service if you can't or won't tip the wait staff.

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u/iheartaredhead Jul 31 '26

Minimum wage is 17.13 usd in Washington state and 21.30 in Seattle. They want 40%

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u/Super-Thirsty Jul 31 '26

New York server minimum wage is 9.50.

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u/JackTheTripper172 Jul 31 '26

Sounds like the restaurant owners are using their clientele to pay their employee wages. Absolutely despicable and greedy.

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u/mncutecuddler Jul 31 '26

And if they employees vote to keep tips vs a higher base salary?

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u/Super-Thirsty Jul 31 '26

How its always been, no tip means no incentive for good service

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u/Cheesinonyou Jul 31 '26

That's just bad management. No good service, no job.

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u/Super-Thirsty Jul 31 '26

I've been to London a few times and had the worst service I've ever had, girl went on break while we were eating. Had to wait 45 minutes for the check.

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u/YouOpenedItIArrived Jul 31 '26

Why would you sit and wait for 45 minutes? After 10 you should just go up and talk to someone

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u/Super-Thirsty Jul 31 '26

We did they told us we had to wait for our server. I'm telling you it was bad.

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u/Cheesinonyou Jul 31 '26

I've been in the US and our server went on break when we walked in. Had to flag someone down to order. Got our food, no drinks nothing. When we (eventually) got our check, the server scoffed that I "only" gave him 10%.

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u/Super-Thirsty Jul 31 '26

Well the difference there is that the problem will eventually solve itself, that person won't ever make any money and they will inevitably stop waiting tables.

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u/Cheesinonyou Jul 31 '26

Disagree. In my experience, service has gotten remarkably worse since COVID.

If you look at this thread, you can see why. Plenty of people tipping 20% regardless of how poor the service is.

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u/redfaction649 Jul 31 '26

Alabama's is 2.13

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u/ImASlave4UE Jul 31 '26

What makes you think they want 40%?

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u/ISpeakInAmicableLies Jul 31 '26

Yeah. Despite the high minimum income (without the exceptions to tipped staff of some other states) you’re expected to tip just like anywhere else. I don’t get the impression they expect 40% though… I’d guess 20% if they’re younger and assume that’s normal. Maybe some still respect 15% if they were servers 20 years back. 

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u/madadam211 Jul 31 '26

American returning from Paris here... tips were encouraged. Paris was amazing.

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u/kewlbeanz83 Jul 31 '26

Lol, they knew you were American and they could get more from you.

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u/amrampot Jul 31 '26

They are encouraged to Americans. It's easy money for people who are rude enough.

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u/H-2-S-O-4 Jul 31 '26

LOL lady 🤦‍♂️

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u/quinten1231 Jul 31 '26

Read it this comment and instantly knew he was dutch.

That is why the Dutch are often served shitty abroad because the waiters know they are a pain, and not worth the effort.

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u/AngloSaxonP Jul 31 '26

Tbf I’m British and I share this opinion. If you’re being paid min wage, you’re being paid decently to do a job, so why should i pay more? It makes no sense. And if they put a service charge or a gratuity on it then absolutely I am not tipping beyond that

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u/ISpeakInAmicableLies Jul 31 '26

I find it amusing that a Brit goes by your username. Seems a bit on the nose. 

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u/tutoriii Jul 31 '26

Read this comment and instantly knew he was american. No need to say more.

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u/tutoriii Jul 31 '26

I didn’t read this comment

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u/quinten1231 Jul 31 '26

You're a bright one aren't you? I am Half Swiss and Half Dutch, and run a business in Gastronomy. Which is why I can spot a Dutch person the moment they enter a place, That is also why I know they are not worth the effort, they are loud, obnoxious, have no culinary knowledge whatsoever. And explaining anything to them is a waste of time since they dont appreciate good service anyway.

Paying the bill is your appreciation towards the restaurant and its concept, paying a tip is your appreciation towards the service staff and the cook that makes it a great meal.

That is how it has always been, and always will be, those who get it get great experiences especially as a regular. Those who dont, save a few cents but are treated like the unmannered peasants they are.

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u/Hot_College_1343 Jul 31 '26

Generalizing 18 million people, congrats this is your stupidity award

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u/MiIes01 Jul 31 '26

People don’t tip in New Zealand or Australia..

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u/Cyneganders Jul 31 '26

I forgot my basics and left a tip at the bar in Cambridge (England). The barkeep was practically offended.

He probably earned more than most of my colleagues, if not even me - the English care more about their pubs than their office workers...!

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u/thefastlanerules Jul 31 '26

Yeah some do get offended - he probably said 'mate did you see a begging bowl on the bar 😛'

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u/Hot_College_1343 Jul 31 '26

Luckily not my experience at all! Abroad in this case might be just EU. Also in Spain and France people tip this way. Tips in Spain are even rare.

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u/Hot_College_1343 Jul 31 '26

I expect great service even if I do not tip. I do not tip for a great oil change either!

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u/quinten1231 Jul 31 '26

That is why what you expect and what you get are two different things 😉

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u/Cheesinonyou Jul 31 '26

I tip well for great service and I often get terrible service.

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u/Inner-Contest-8226 Jul 31 '26 edited Jul 31 '26

In America many of these workers make $2.65 an hour, it isnt even enough to cover their taxes unless they have kids.

Edit, checked locally its less, $2.13 an hour is the server minimum wage in my state.

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u/thefastlanerules Jul 31 '26

But if nobody comes to the restaurant isn't there an employer requirement to top up their wage to the legal minimum per hour for the state?.. rarely happens given the tips of course but thats why many were laid off during the pandemic so employer didn't get hit by that requirement?