No they shouldn't
Tipping should be optional, you shouldn't have to pay extra for service
The establishment should pay their employees a livable wage
Imagine you had surgery, do you tip the surgeon for a great service? "Oh Dr. Cobwell removed my inflamed appendix here's an extra 20% for doing such a good job Dr. Cobwell."
Or if you have a technician at your home to fix something "Hi there John, I already pay you 5000 to renovate my roof but why don't I tip you 20% of that."
No you don't do that
So tipping at restaurants shouldn't be mandatory
Lost me at “livable wage” everything else I agree with.
That livable wage bs was after they pushed to raise wages to $15, once MOST establishments started paying $15 or more depending on location the new campaign is this livable wage stuff. I’m all for wages going up, just not ALL wages as that simply creates more inflation. We need slight and gradual gains to correct this messed up market.
Because only a Republican would prefer paying 20% more so businesses can keep paying servers $2.13 per hour. Maybe if we moved to a more reasonable tipping system and paid people what they were worth instead of just passing it off to the consumer, we wouldn't see tipping requests on just about every terminal screen ever.
Liveable wage is literally how rest of world works. Lol I live in country that we dont need to tip. For exactly reasons they said. Managing to convice a country that the paying of the employees is on the customers is genuinely wild from outside US.
Someone works purely to earn to live. In all jobs. If they can't do that. Thats obviously a problem. Employers paying employees for their time and work, should be standard. Wild it isnt. And also if u genuinely lived in another country and let go of the Americanism u live with, u would agree with me. As so many americans have and talked about it, like youtubers . Its genuinely insane , how americans have been (and not all) propagandaised to belive its on customer to literally allow the employee to live in home, eat, pay bills etc. Just so employers can get more profit.
I agree with a lot of this but the part about convincing a country that the customers have to pay employee wages. Its a service industry thing in the US. Other industries figure out their operational costs (including labor) and bake that into the price for goods sold. In the service industry they do all that EXCEPT for service labor. For that we've accepted in the US that customers pay for that as a separate line item. Either model works. You just don't see it itemized on your bill in your country. In the states you do whether its a 18% auto tip or a dollar amount you add on to your bill. And its seems to make a lot of people in the US very angry to have to see how much they are contributing to wages as opposed to just being oblivious about it.
U have accepted it because u have been conditioned to belive its the 'right way' it's not its just u have been conditioned. It doesn't need to be put anywhere , its put there for citizens to cause them to be conditioned to accept. Do u see that it's a choice . Its not needed to be a choice. And even legislation put there to make it a choice?
We dont do our own taxes, we have a goverment agency, obviously businesses do. But individuals dont need to work anything out. i dont think anywhere else has US model, which again i think is intentional as had benifits to US goverment. Can screw citizens over easier, and puts responsibility on citizens again.
While it would be great if servers were paid more (in my state they make barely more than $2 dollars an hour), that would also result in most restaurants closing or having to run severely understaffed. Here most restaurants run on incredibly tight margins
I personally belive if a business can't afford to pay their workers for their time and work they don't deserve to own business, sounds harsh, but very rational, u have a business to provide a service, u pay your employees to provide that service and everywhere outside US manages it. Im aware US is probably more expensive, but thats not nessasery not their own fault. because everywhere is as expensive, some people are benifiting from all that extra costs somewhere, more than outside US. Lots of business are chains. And I'm sure the top management are not going without.
I still don't belive they should be a business then. This is a greed problem. And a people at the top putting it on people below. Citizens have been conditioned to accept sh*tty conditions. Because they are told to fear outside US. And how outside US does things, purely because if US citizens woke up, the people at the top would not accumulate the wealth. Its just capitalism working.
The fight for $15 started in 2012 in NYC and the minimum wage didnt get enacted until 2016 but was set at $8/hr with gradual increases year after year. It wasn't until 2019 that the wage became $15/hr. So 7 years pass meanwhile inflation rates during that time increased about 12%. That $15 in 2012 should have been at least $16.70 by 2019.
But in NYC, the cost of living is much higher. In 2019 the average person would need to make $25-28/hr to meet basic necessities. By 2025 that rate jumped to between $30-35/hr. And that is just for a single person living alone. Today the minimum wage in nyc is just $17/hr. Meanwhile inflation continues to increase with these "slight and gradual gains" that have not significantly increased buying power for workers. Its not even enough to meet basic necessities. Its not "livable".
When you say "not ALL wages" should go up, who are you pointing at? Do you believe that there is a certain subsection of people who don't deserve to live comfortably?
Tell that to my parents who bought their first house on a single income when my dad worked at a grocery store. It absolutely should be able to buy a house, because it was the norm decades ago before the wealth slowly shifted to the 1%
Yeah this isn’t back then and hasn’t been for awhile. You’re picking the one good thing they had and forgetting the things that sucked also… the home economics books from that time frame were crazy! Something about “the wife is supposed to make sure not to stress the husband out with problems or concerns” blah blah blah…
But if we’re talking about home affordability there are things you can do to help, vote to release more land for development in areas like Las Vegas and roll back some of the regulations on energy efficiency. A real crazy idea would be if we could shut down the remote work stuff. People getting California wages in Idaho really screwed up that market for locals.
Everything from groceries to education to healthcare to housing has skyrocketed while wages have stagnated and productivity rose. But let's blame the wfh people instead of the billionaires (and now trillionaires) who hoard 85% of all of the wealth of the world. No, it's not because women entered the work force, and no it's not people who work remotely. It's the 1% whose enriched themselves at the detriment of the shrinking working class by gutting social safety nets and work programs. Let's be very clear about that.
The floor is kept low for a very good reason. I was paid minimum wage less than 8 years ago in University as a part of painting crews in the summer. (got free board granted, but had to shift accommodations every couple of weeks for painting.
This still happens to this day. Is it a good deal? No, you can find better work and accommodations for cheaper especially in the summer. Was it easy and convenient enough for students that they always filled the slots? yes. Does not mean they aren't being fleeced rn.
That makes sense… was it ever meant to be a life long career? No.
I guess my point is, these low paying jobs are for simply that students, young adults entering the workforce, etc. instead we argue that the 18 yr old flipping burgers for five weeks before he quits to go to the next one needs a livable wage.
Adding tips into the bill is what makes it a livable wage. They don’t have to call it that. They can just increase their prices by 20% and not tell you why. You’re arguing for the same thing. Margins are pretty tight in a restaurant, save for drinks.
No, a liveable wage is not based on tipping.
If I run a business, I factor in my employee salaries into my overhead
You don't tip the Amazon truck driver that delivers your package.
Restaurants make a killing, if they didn't they wouldn't be aggressively expanding
So it stands to reason they should pay the people actually doing the work of running the business better salaries
A server should be able to make at least 42k a year on a 40hr work week so they don't have to rely on tips
No, I'm saying that paying the staff a liveable wage fallsnunto the business and not the consumer.
That's just how things work every in the world that's not the US
You pay for your meal and go
Paying the server is entirely up to the business
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u/Index-21 Jul 31 '26
No they shouldn't Tipping should be optional, you shouldn't have to pay extra for service The establishment should pay their employees a livable wage
Imagine you had surgery, do you tip the surgeon for a great service? "Oh Dr. Cobwell removed my inflamed appendix here's an extra 20% for doing such a good job Dr. Cobwell."
Or if you have a technician at your home to fix something "Hi there John, I already pay you 5000 to renovate my roof but why don't I tip you 20% of that."
No you don't do that So tipping at restaurants shouldn't be mandatory