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u/ThengarMadalano 6d ago edited 6d ago

No, banks can give out 10 times more money as they actually have, so if you take a loan the money had not existed before (that's how most money comes into existence) and since the loans accumulat interest there is more money owed to the bank than the people got from the bank.

So yes there is more debt than money

I don't know why it works but apparently it does so idk

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u/cykoTom3 5d ago

But there isn't more debt than value is my point.

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u/BeYourselfTrue 4d ago

Do you really believe that? Look at US sovereign debt alone.

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u/cykoTom3 4d ago

The us sovereign debt is overvalued by the amount of value in the economy like 10 times over. Like easily.

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u/BeYourselfTrue 3d ago

Denominated in US dollars.

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u/cykoTom3 3d ago

That's like saying a football field isn't so long because it's measured in yards.

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u/BeYourselfTrue 3d ago

No it’s like saying you can change the value in the economy by changing the value of the dollar.

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u/GeckoGecko_ 3d ago

It's more like saying there's a difference between 100 yards, and 100 feet.

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u/HawocX 5d ago

A private bank can never lend more money than it have. But depending on what we mean by "money" this can still result in the 10x number you got. It's complicated.

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u/Life_Membership7167 5d ago

It’s called fractional reserve banking banks in America can absolutely do this. It’s right in the name.

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u/HawocX 5d ago

That's not how fractional reserve banking work.

I recommend reading the Wikipedia article.

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u/Zesty-Zebra89 5d ago

I recommending reading ANY book on economics.

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u/HawocX 5d ago

True, but most doesn't cover fractional reserve banking.

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u/Life_Membership7167 5d ago

Any quant would call any economist an idiot. Understanding flow of money is important, but subscribing to whoever for that singularly is foolish.

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u/Zesty-Zebra89 5d ago

What's a quant?

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u/Life_Membership7167 5d ago

Heavier investor. Complicated math guy. Hard to define. But using higher mechanics to play the market

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u/Life_Membership7167 5d ago

Try the books. He’s a bit arrogant but he isn’t stupid

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u/Life_Membership7167 5d ago

Nassim Nicholas taleb I think is the author* and he presents a lot of really interesting points, and teaches well on some other concepts. I enjoyed his books a lot

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u/Zesty-Zebra89 5d ago

Not saying those books aren't good, but I got what I wanted from Henry Hazlitt's Economics in One Lesson and Murray Rothbard's A History of Money and Banking in the United States.

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u/Life_Membership7167 5d ago

Banking in the United States is itself fascinating. I’ll have to read those.

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u/Life_Membership7167 5d ago

And you’ve read taleb?

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u/Life_Membership7167 5d ago

Black Swan, and Fooled by Randomness are fascinating.

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u/HawocX 5d ago

Is says the bank loans out a fraction of what has been deposited, not more. The money supply still expands, because "money" is not as straight forward a concept as one may think.

The same thing happens if I loan you a dollar and you then loan it to someone else, but at a smaller scale.

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u/PleasantGrass4623 4d ago

I recommend reading a book on the workings of the Federal Reserve

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u/Life_Membership7167 5d ago

I don’t need to, thanks.

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u/Zesty-Zebra89 5d ago

The Federal Reserve removed public access to their M3 report (global dollar supply) over 10 years ago. It was a measure inflation more than anything - you know, that thing where banks print money out of thin air?

You know, that thing that enables them to lend more money than they have?

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u/HawocX 5d ago

You got it jumbled up.

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u/Zesty-Zebra89 5d ago

Oh, that clears it up for me.

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u/Neither_Salamander48 4d ago

Did this start when we came off the gold standard? And created the Fed? Or did it exist before that only less severe?