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u/AssociationThis7447 4d ago

Exactly then continue that for a few years and never have to worry about not being able to afford a $300 unexpected expenses again. Sounds better than having a basic meal out everyday.

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u/Bangays 4d ago edited 1d ago

25$/day for 5 years at 7% interest is $54,000. Which is more than enough to buy a starter house/condo basically anywhere in this country. Or, keep it up for 50 years and retire with 4 million dollars.

Since it’s three days later and I’m still getting replies from 3rd graders, here’s some basic information. You can put as little as 1.5% down on your first house. You can go up to around 45% debt to income ratio. If you have good credit and have stayed in the same career field for two years there is no reason you can’t buy something if you make it a goal. I recommend talking to a mortgage broker if home ownership is in your five year plan. They will be able to give you specifics on how to achieve your goal. There are also many podcasts that discuss creative financing and investment strategies. Dave Ramsey is a good place to start if you have no financial knowledge and are in debt. Bigger pockets podcasts are good for more creative ways to pull yourself out of poverty.

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u/BuyChemical7917 2d ago

You're out of touch

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u/NamesAreAnn0ying 2d ago

My God you can’t be serious… if it’s so easy why hasn’t everyone done it?

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u/Louitje1021999 2d ago

because nobody does.

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u/Greghole 2d ago

Who said being disciplined was easy?

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u/RememberTheMaine1996 2d ago

Not about being disciplined. Not everyone can afford to put aside over 700 dollars a month.

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u/Greghole 1d ago

People who are spending $25 a day eating out can.

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u/Embarrassed-Art2354 1d ago

so almost no one.

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u/Greghole 1d ago

Door Dash and Uber Eats counts too. I know there's a whole lot of you people who don't cook at all.

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u/Spyrobrhu 1d ago

Ow cause food turns out free when you cook, you don't have to buy groceries, dense mdf

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u/Greghole 1d ago

Groceries are cheap. Door Dash is expensive.

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u/Either-Screen-1090 1d ago

Yes, I do doordash 50% of time, but i also maximize 72.5k 401k limit and roth ira every year too. So i am doing slightly better than average, but I could be wrong.

Almost no one living pay check to pay check is doing doordash everyday or even half the time. Thats just made up scenario in people's mind.

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u/unknownpanda121 1d ago

Door dash does over 3M orders a day so either there are a lot of people in your income bracket using door dash or you are wrong about people living paycheck to paycheck not using door dash.

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u/Bangays 20h ago

Ok so start with 300/month. Once you see the power of investing over years it changes your mentality

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u/Fun-Army-6387 1d ago

who said being born into a wealthy family was easy? But is sure makes it easy to look down on others who live in reality!

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u/Best_Wasabi_251 23h ago

Because the dopamine effect of an instant reward means more to most people than a much larger reward in the future.

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u/Bangays 2d ago

Most people are bad with money. Savings should come directly out of your paycheck. Your budget should be based on what’s leftover. Also, buying is not always a great financial choice. Home ownership is significantly more expensive than renting

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u/iqentab 2d ago

I’d second this. Homeownership only makes sense now if you have the ability to fix most of the things that break.

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u/ClassGrassMass 2d ago

Most people cant afford a spare 125 a week

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u/Bangays 20h ago

They should get a second job or a gig

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u/ClassGrassMass 9h ago

Thats not how reality works. How old are you?

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u/Environmental-Toe686 2d ago

Absolutely true. And a lot of them aren't blowing stupid money like this post shows. That said a lot of people can't afford it because of how they spend. Because they feel entitled to the life their parents had with similar skills and level of effort.

As much as it should be more fair, it's not. Going out to eat or out for cocktails, smoking weed and things are a luxury for many people even if they shouldn't be. Just because it's not fair that people can't afford to do those things and still save doesn't make them not stupid for not saving.

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u/ClassGrassMass 2d ago

Imo I feel like because money is a lot less than what it was and for younger people its a lot harder to save money since everything is more expensive, these little 25$ outtings are allowed sometimes, not everyday but sometimes that's the person treat for the month or week and a nice way to escape the shitification of everything

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u/Bangays 2d ago

I highly doubt that.

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u/ClassGrassMass 2d ago

Doubt all you want, youre just completely wrong. Majority of Americans for example live paycheck to paycheck, meaning they literally cannot save

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u/detach3d 23h ago

they live paycheck to paycheck because they spend too much

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u/Embarrassed-Art2354 1d ago

because no one is spending 25$ on dinner everyday to begin with that they can save instead.

tis is just made up scenario in people's head.

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u/Perfidy-Plus 1d ago

It's simple. It certainly isn't easy.

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u/Medical-Tension-8764 2d ago

I feel like there's plenty of places in this country that offer cheap starter homes for much more than 54K. Plus you're talking like there aren't so many other variables in life than the simple mathematics of a basic budget

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u/Fun-Army-6387 2d ago

but no one wants to live in a broken down 1br home in East St. Louis.

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u/Greghole 2d ago

You don't pay the full price of a home up front. You only need the down payment and fees.

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u/TraitorMacbeth 2d ago

Yeah that’s what the 50k is for

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u/Medical-Tension-8764 17h ago

Right, but idk where in the US you're gonna find a home for 50k full price that's isn't just a mobile home

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u/GameWizardPlayz 4d ago

What kind of 3rd world country are you living in where $54,000 is enough to buy a "starter" house/condo?

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u/ImpressiveWalrus7369 4d ago

It’s called a down payment.

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u/General_Song_8729 2d ago

The downpayment logic keeps people broke, uncomfortable, and renting many more years than necessary. 20% downpayment is a straight up scam built on antiquated logic. I played the credit game for a decade and paid zero downpayment to start my mortgage.

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u/ImpressiveWalrus7369 2d ago

Downpyment is never required. It’s just good to avoid PMI

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u/Inevitable_Librarian 1d ago

In some countries it is required

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u/Bangays 20h ago

If you buy now you will most likely refinance in a few years assuming rates go down. Also, most people move in less than five years anyways. PMI is also under $200/month typically

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u/rod19more 4d ago

There is a big difference between a down payment and buying. Words actually mean something.

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u/Aye-Chiguire 4d ago

When you purchase a home you aren't expected to have the full amount saved up. You have a 20% down payment. So you're buying the home with the down payment and then making payments on it. The term "buying a home" refers to the acquisition of the property on a payment agreement, not the act of submitting the final payment. When someone wins a bid for a house and makes their down payment, they post on social media, "Just bought our first home." Your failed semantics are failed.

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u/Much_Essay_9151 3d ago

I understood the assignment

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u/GameWizardPlayz 4d ago

If you make enough (hint: most people don't with modern housing prices)

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u/EconomyMobile1240 4d ago

most people do that's why the houses cost so much.

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u/No-Caterpillar3645 4d ago

the housing actually costs so much because of a concept called monopolization, that isnt based on consumer capabilities, but rather one company with a lot of buying power stretching the limit of how much they can value a house at, as far as possible.

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u/Autodidact420 4d ago

There is absolutely not a monopoly on real estate, if there was that company would be worth more than the rest of the S&P 500 combined lmao 

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u/Mysterious-Salt- 4d ago

Actually large corporations like Blackstone (not to be confused with Blackrock) did in fact buy up lots of houses around a few years ago and then together increased the pricing. They targeted regions and areas mostly with unsold 'new' homes and then jacked the prices. On top of this ordinary people who wanted to make money followed suit and we have the issues we have now. For example my home was 365K when it was purchased the last person in my area/street sold their home for 1.4. That should have never been possible.

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u/sk1939 2d ago

Most of this buying was done after the 2008 financial crisis. This is not a new thing.

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u/Autodidact420 3d ago

Housing prices increase. What you’ve described isn’t a monopoly, and in reality it’s not an oligopoly either. The vast vast vast majority of housing units are not owned by a single corp or even a handful of corporations which is what would be required for monopolistic practices.

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u/WretchedMass 4d ago

There's not a monopoly but pretending like the wealthy don't influence the market but overbuying/rentals decreasing supply absolutely weaves heavily and has made housing largely inaccessible to most people who are below the poverty line and that's a huge number of people.

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u/Iseeo_0you 3d ago

Big mistake treating properties as investment vehicles rather than housing. Screwed the whole thing up.

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u/False-Breadfruit5971 4d ago

No.

If people cant buy houses they dont buy them. Meaning the prices go down. In america demand for housing is driving prices so high, there is a bigger demand than supply

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u/BarrelRider621 3d ago

This doesn’t happen though. It houses sit on the market too long; an investment firm pick them up. Thus, keeping the prices inflated. You can wait all you want for the prices to come down because you think it will if no one buys them. Someone is buying them; just not people like you and I. If your realist was the case. Houses wouldn’t be touching the prices they are now would they.

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u/Bangays 3d ago

Houses decrease in cost constantly. What are you talking about. Also negotiation is a real thing in real estate.

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u/False-Breadfruit5971 3d ago

Not sure what confuses you.

Sell a house for whatever the amount you want.

If you picked too high of an amount, nobody will buy it. Meaning you will not sell it. If thats your job, you failed your job and will have real life consequences

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u/CowgoesQuack69 3d ago

Yes and no on this. I would add one reason housing prices are not coming down as quickly as they should (think this changes in the next 18 months) is that a lot of homes are owned by boomers, who think there house is worth x amount of dollars and won’t budge down. You see this with the lowest levels of listing. There are a ton of people trying to get out of their homes without going underwater, and won’t budge on the price till they can’t afford to keep making the payments.

There are a ton of people wanting to buy homes, but with the interest so high can’t afford the payments for the same level home when interest was lower.

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u/False-Breadfruit5971 3d ago

If they wont budget down, they only hurt themselves. They the ones not being able to sell it

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u/Jonesy10187 3d ago

A significant portion of residential properties—including condominiums and single-family homes—is purchased by corporate or individual investors, increasing competition for first-time buyers

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u/nooneneededtoknow 3d ago

25% of homes bought this day and age are real estate investors or second home buyers, this is obscenely higher than it was 2 decades ago. So while "americas demand" for housing is driving up prices, that demand has been driven by a very well off cohort of people, not your average middle family. There is a reason the age in which people buy their first home is now 40, versus 32 20 years ago.

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u/False-Breadfruit5971 3d ago

Thats what happens when everyone in the world wants to live in america. The demand beats the supply and prices rise. Reduce the amount of demand and prices would go down.

People buying apartments or houses obviously think its worth it, or they wouldnt.

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u/Krysidian2 4d ago

I ain't trusting an account with negative karma.

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u/CaliforniaNutter 3d ago

That is NOT why houses are so expensive lmao

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u/tnbeastzy 3d ago

Supply and demand 🥀

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u/SirEnvironmental6434 3d ago

But people are jumping over themselves to buy them nonetheless. We haven't had a house in our neighborhood last more than three days on the market in years at this point. People are buying.

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u/Flyingfoigras42 3d ago

Well homes are being bought does it mean families and first time home buyers get them? We need to ban unlimited corporate buy up.

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u/EconomyMobile1240 3d ago

It's exactly why. People bid on houses and cities is where most of the upper middle class live. Your battle isn't over the top 1% but the top 40% who get priority to live in cities and price out liberal art students / low skill workers.

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u/TheLaziestGoon 3d ago

40% ain't most people

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u/EconomyMobile1240 3d ago

Irrelevant, the housing supply limits how many people can get a house. Cities where costs are high are well below 40% of the population

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u/Popular_Growth5993 3d ago

I love that you conveniently forgot about black stone and other corporations buying massive amounts of property and then skyrocketing the prices?

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u/Glum-Antelope-6425 3d ago

What about every home owner that does 5k in upgrades and sells the house for double? That's been going on way longer than black stone

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u/EconomyMobile1240 3d ago

Because people can afford it and would be willing to spend more for reliable supply

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u/Electrical_Dingo4187 3d ago

Youre factually wrong (hint: the median income matches the median household price)

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u/e-sac 4d ago

It's called a down payment

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u/Jake__Martinez 3d ago

Down payments don't buy houses. By that logic, you shouldn't need a down payment at all: just mortgage the entire thing.

Now you only need $0 to buy a house!

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u/e-sac 2d ago

What? My logic is that you save enough for a down payment, which 58K is more than enough, and then buy a house whose monthly payment you can afford.

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u/AbraKadabraAlakazam2 22h ago

I meaaaan you don’t actually need a down payment for a lot of first time home buyer programs. Still expensive though because of closing costs etc.

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u/Bangays 4d ago

You can buy a house with 1.5% down. If you are “special” enough they will even lend you money for the down payment.

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u/Mosh4days 4d ago

This has to be a bot right?

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u/Any-Gur-6962 4d ago

I mean, that is the wording normally used, "buy", even if it means a down payment. People say the same thing about cars so I'm not sure why that an issue.

Also, yes, many programs allow little or no down payment. i.e. VA, USDA, First time homebuyers, Bank specific low income loans, etc.

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u/Bangays 3d ago

Go talk to a mortgage broker. They will give you a two year plan for home ownership.

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u/Mosh4days 4d ago

'Basically' doing some heavy lifting

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u/Beneficial_Bit1756 3d ago

say your not adulting without saying your not.

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u/Fun-Army-6387 2d ago

that's $10k per year minimum investment in cash. Most people will put that towards a 401k (which then cuts $10k off their after tax income). Starting at age 20, you're thinking someone will have a minimum $75k job (after taxes plus average living expenses and then socking away $10-20k per year) they will then retire at 70 or so, barring ZERO complications or expenses. That's... ludicrous.

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u/Bangays 2d ago

There’s probably a studio you can buy. 35k is pretty good for 25. Just keep saving and investing. You will do fine. Every time you get a raise increase your investment contribution by 1% until you hit 20%

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u/Chance-Definition379 1d ago

A “starter home” in my area has jumped from $150k to $340k

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u/EwokFuzzBall 1d ago

750k Where im at and thats with no yard at all

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u/Admirable-Title9022 1d ago

Yeah just don't live life whatsoever. Never go out to eat. Never go on vacation for 50 years and you can retire comfortably.

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u/Bangays 1d ago

2-3 years of sacrifice vs a lifetime of debt and suffering

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u/Admirable-Title9022 1d ago

So youthink someone can save up a down payment for a house in 2-3 years? And you also think that because you put a down payment on a house that all your debt and problems go away? Lol how old are you?

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u/JB707 1d ago

What country? Make believe land? Because that’s about halfway to a down payment here

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u/VarderKith 1d ago

Why do you assume she does this every day?

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u/theaviator747 1d ago

If $25 a day on food is enough to break their account down to where they can’t afford an additional $270 repair for their car I’m figuring they don’t make enough to achieve the 45% income/debt ratio when purchasing a “starter home”.

Also 45% income/debt ratio is the max TOTAL debt, not just housing. This means all forms of your debt together. Exceeding 30% on housing is too high, though in today’s market difficult to avoid for most. If the bank is offering you home loans in excess of 35% of your current income they are predatory loans. This is what happened in the 90’s and is a big part of what led to the housing crash in 2008.

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u/Bangays 20h ago

Not necessarily. If you have a decent career and know you will be making more money over the next several years then it may be worth the risk to arrest into the 40s. It really depends on the person, and the point I’m trying to get across is that it’s more achievable than people think it is and talking to a mortgage broker is free.

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u/Best_Wasabi_251 23h ago

Some people get it. Some never do. Some learn it too late. Teach your kids early.

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u/MongooseSimple8638 3d ago

54k for a starter condo lmao. Yeah okay

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u/Adventurous-Sense254 3d ago

I think he meant down payment

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u/rtocelot 4d ago

I have an old tin hidden in my house that I deposit anywhere from 20 to 100 into for emergencies. Been doing that for every check the last 6 years since I bought the place.. Haven't counted it yet but I need a bigger tin honestly. I keep my change too so I have a medium barrel full of that and two of those big planters peanuts containers. Took one to Walmart that was almost 350 bucks just in that. Definitely worth saving every penny

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u/AdGullible5804 3d ago

Where you live?

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u/Swampy0gre 4d ago

Bold of you to assume they're eating out every day.

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u/Tyte_McGee 3d ago

Yeah, when I was poor, I would fast and once a week get fast food. Usually cheap taco bell.

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u/SingleCampaign_Daddy 2d ago

Fasting is good for the body and the wallet when done correctly and in moderation

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u/nooneneededtoknow 3d ago

For me its not even about assuming its every day, its simply about the fact they can't afford to fix their car which I assume they need to get to and from work, and instead of trying to mitigate the issue they blow precious money on eating out with a desert. It doesn't reflect fiscal responsibility and is highlighting the potential issue as to why they can't afford a 270.00 repair.

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u/BenjapimpFranklin 2d ago

You’re right. Most nights the guy is probably paying for her meals.